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    Looking for black powder low pressure load data for my 10 gauge

    I have a 1890’s SxS Charles Daly 2 7/8” 10 gauge I’d like to load up some low pressure loads for. My goal is to harvest a turkey or two with it. My plan is to load #5, #4,and or #6’s...or maybe a duplex load of 5 & 6’s? I just received a copy of the the 7th edition of the mighty 10 gauge and looks like it only has higher pressure loadings in it. I have plenty of time as my gun has been at the gunsmith for a few seasons now. He’s my buddy and knows it was a no rush job and basically does all my work a no charge in trade for bow hunting my property. It was missing a hammer so I ordered a pair from Dixie gun works and sent them to him. The square centers have to be cut out yet and also drilled and tapped to hold the hammer in place that’s missing. It looks like the screw either rounded out or Snapped off. I picked it up at a yard sale about 20 years ago for $45. It was pretty rusty and seized up. I took it apart and polished it up. I figured I’d have my smith check it over to make sure it can be safely fired while he has it. I sent some RST shells with for him to test It out.

    Anyways I have plenty of time to get ready to figure out how to load for it. I did buy a couple of boxes of RST 1 1/4oz light load #5’s to try. I’d like to load some of my own as well. Any suggestions where I can find 10 gauge black powder equivalent load data? I see track off of Wolf has a 10 page pamphlet on loading brass shells but I’m guessing no load data.

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    I’ve have tried to find info on the gun but there really isn’t much into out there. I believe it’s more of a plain Jane entry level SXS model as there isn’t much scroll work on the side plates. From the few stampings from what I could find the info I could find said it was made around the 1890’s. It had 30” or 32” barrels I’d I remember correctly.
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    Any reason you can't just use blackpowder? 90 grains of Fg blackpowder and 1 1/4 ounces of shot is a fine load in my muzzleloader, should fit in your 2 7/8" hulls with room to spare, and will be more than safe. I'd feel a lot better with blackpowder if I wanted to up the load to say 1 1/2 ounce for turkey too, it is much more forgiving.

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    A DRAM of black is approx. 27 grains of black, so if they recommend (on orig. shell box) 4 drams. equiv., you need 100 grs. of black powder. You will need compression to make the charge fit along with a wad column, including a wad or wafer of BP lube. Note that if you under load with BP it will be tough to hit any thing flying. A three dram load of BP shot way behind the skeet birds I was trying to hit(12 ga.)

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    I'd be loading brass shot shells from Track of the wolf or Buffalo Arms with black. Adding nitro card over powder wads with felt filler wads with a nitro on top of the last felt filler then the shot capped with another hard over shot card and sealed with waterglass. It would be nice to have paper hulls in 2-7/8 but no one makes them so brass is the way to go unless you use plastic with black powder. Paper or brass would be better I would think. Circle fly is a good supplier of 10 ga components. I came across a great buy on waterglass on Amazon for sealing all my over shot wads. Should last me the rest of my life unless it goes bad over time.

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    Wads will be diff. size for brass vs/paper or plastic at least they are in the 12 ga., a lube cookie of bp lube in your wad column will help with fouling.

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    Look I’m not trying to start an argument or step on anyone’s toes , but I have a bunch of 10 gauge damascus and steel twist doubles some as early as 1880 and I ain’t shooting that black c..r..a..p in any of them . There are plenty low pressure loads for a short 10 using smokeless .
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    If you wanna do it yourself get some nice new Remington PLASTIC hulls and trim to 2 7/8” then prime them with a CCI or WIN 209 , add 19 grains of Red Dot and seat a REM SP-10 was put two or three .125” nitro wads in the bottom of the shot cup add 1 1/8 ounces of shot and put an overshot card then fold crimp that’s my skeet/trap/sporting load and it does well for dove . You might only need two nitro cards and you can do away with the overshot card I just do that to keep the crimp flat . That is a very very low octane load . NOW I guarantee that load in MY GUNS you load it an shoot it in yours that’s on you .
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    My initial 10 gauge load was and is same Hull and was but with 30 grains SR7625 one .125” nitro card in the bottom of the cup with 1 1/4 ounces shot and an overshot card . That’s an excellent all around load . I’ve used that for bird shot bismuth shot buckshot and slugs just some wont need the nitro wad and or over shot card . And I keep the payload between 1 1/4 - 1 1/2 ounces . And once again in my guns it works in yours maybe not . Incidentally this was a load Ross Seyfried published in Handloader about twenty years ago . NOW they don’t make SR7625 any longer but I have enough to last ME a good long while , there are other things that can be good for the same application but I’ve not bothered with any yet .
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    i think you should just forget about like I been telling you and send that thing up here to me!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6pt-sika View Post
    Look I’m not trying to start an argument or step on anyone’s toes , but I have a bunch of 10 gauge damascus and steel twist doubles some as early as 1880 and I ain’t shooting that black c..r..a..p in any of them . There are plenty low pressure loads for a short 10 using smokeless .
    Sacrilegious! No finer powder has ever been made for a classic shotgun than the holy black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by megasupermagnum View Post
    Sacrilegious! No finer powder has ever been made for a classic shotgun than the holy black.
    You reimburse me for the cost of mine and we’ll discuss using that stuff . But as long as they’re mine and I paid the bill that stuff and mine will never meet .
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    For reference: Black powder and current low pressure nitro-powder loads. Author: Ross Seyfried

    Article and 10 gauge data:

    https://www.shootingtimes.com/editor...loading/361504

    12 Gauge data:

    https://content.osgnetworks.tv/shoot...otshells-5.jpg

    16 Gauge Data:

    https://content.osgnetworks.tv/shoot...otshells-4.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by RMc View Post
    For reference: Black powder and current low pressure nitro-powder loads. Author: Ross Seyfried

    https://www.shootingtimes.com/editor...loading/361504
    Thanks for the link. I always liked Ross Seyfried's writings: always to the point, and an excellent command of the English language.

    There is an attendant wonder about black powder: that ancient plume of smoke. Without a good wind or a fast-crossing bird, you have no idea of the result of your shot until the bird either flies out through the side or tumbles out of the bottom of the cloud. That momentary mystery does not detract from the wonder of it all.
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    I always thought of Ross as 1st class and have used a lot of his data and info over the decades. As well as enjoyed simply reading his many articles.

    BP is for those who have learned to use it...like Ross Seyfried. Those who don't know how resort to smokeless.
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    Echo Mt Chambers post, minor changes
    10ga 4drams (109gr) - use Fg powder 1oz shot = Light Load, approx 1040 fps
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharps4590 View Post
    BP is for those who have learned to use it...like Ross Seyfried. Those who don't know how resort to smokeless.
    You have that backwards. Blackpowder is idiot proof. You can't mess it up. Smokeless on the other hand you have to be absolutely certain on what you are doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharps4590 View Post
    BP is for those who have learned to use it...like Ross Seyfried. Those who don't know how resort to smokeless.
    You got your opinion and I have mine . BP for me is only useful in a couple original ML’s . I am most certainly not using it in several thousand dollar closed action double barrels . Say what you want but the residue will get into the action . I’m not taking a hammerless D grade apart just to shoot that mess . There are just way to many NEGATIVES in my opinion for that junk .
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    No, you can't mess up using BP in a shotgun but, to use it with accuracy, in rifles, you will have to learn to jump through some more hoops.

    Really 6pt.? I find that amusing. I've used it for a few decades in a couple double rifles of significant value, several thousands each, an early drilling, a couple combination guns, both of considerable value and, more than one double gun, a couple of which carried significant value. They were/are all in pristine condition and oddly were black powder guns originally, dating from the 1840's through the late 1880's. I guess they knew better how to care for their arms back then as there was NO SIGNS of corrosion or pitting anywhere except for around the nipples of my Manton M/L shotgun. You may call BP junk but you do so erroneously. And, I can only assume you know what is commonly said about opinions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharps4590 View Post
    No, you can't mess up using BP in a shotgun but, to use it with accuracy, in rifles, you will have to learn to jump through some more hoops.

    Really 6pt.? I find that amusing. I've used it for a few decades in a couple double rifles of significant value, several thousands each, an early drilling, a couple combination guns, both of considerable value and, more than one double gun, a couple of which carried significant value. They were/are all in pristine condition and oddly were black powder guns originally, dating from the 1840's through the late 1880's. I guess they knew better how to care for their arms back then as there was NO SIGNS of corrosion or pitting anywhere except for around the nipples of my Manton M/L shotgun. You may call BP junk but you do so erroneously. And, I can only assume you know what is commonly said about opinions.
    Sounds like our admiration for each other is mutual and one in the same .
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    I've always thought well of your posts and by extension, you and as far as I recollect we pretty much agree on most things. We happen to disagree about black powder and shooting it. For me, I'll use it if it's original to the firearm, regardless of the expense of the firearm and you don't use it for essentially the same reason....and you come up with a comment like that? I am assuredly aware that my opinion suffers the same fate as everyone else's.
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