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    Help with identification of 2 BP guns

    I have taken pictures of all the marking I can find. Any help with identification and value, will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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    Top pistol looks like Uberti’s version of an 1851 pocket revolver.

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    Did Uberti make revolvers with no markings, other than the number right in front of the trigger guard?
    I don't think its Uberti all of the Uberti revolvers i looked at have case colored frames. Although I suppose it could have been blued over. Since the revolver came from the estate of a professional gunsmith.
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    How many chambers in the revolver?

    The tower reproduction is probably a Japanese mfg. If so the frozen is very soft and will not spark. Half sole the frozen with a piece of hacksaw blade.
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    Ramon222, good observation.

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    Frizzen. I hate auto correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdfoxinc View Post
    How many chambers in the revolver?

    The tower reproduction is probably a Japanese mfg. If so the frozen is very soft and will not spark. Half sole the frozen with a piece of hacksaw blade.
    5 chambers in the revolver.

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    bottom one is a fake reproduction TOWER pistol they were popular in the early 60 on up to the 80's. made in KOREA and SPAIN. I have 6 of them for my man cave. it is very hard to harden the frizzen to make it spark, soft metal. you see them for sale from around $150.00. hope this helps?

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    above the serial # you can see where some one filed/ ground off the SPAIN or KOREA on the barrel. tried to make it pass for the real deal!.

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    Thanks toot, looks like we got that one solved. Good thing I did not pay real deal prices for it.

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    The proof marks shown on the right side of the revolver, photo #4, are Italian. They came into use in 1950, but that doesn't date the manufacture of the pistol--could be anytime since then.

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    i believe the colt reproduction is an Armi san Pablo Kit gun, but could be wrong... the PN and star is a proof mark for BP.. but does not id the maker... it does look like there are markings that were removed... could be a CE, CF but just hot sure... if it is a CE then 2010, CF then it was made in 2011, CD 2009.. a lot of re-enactors removed the markings... the grips are usually a giveaway, but they are so interchangeable these days, could be wrong.

    just a guess here.. probably worth 250 on a good day but prolly around 200..but what do I know...

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    I believe thats Armi San Marco...?

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    @ Longknife the word is correct..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markopolo View Post
    i believe the colt reproduction is an Armi san Pablo Kit gun, but could be wrong... the PN and star is a proof mark for BP.. but does not id the maker... it does look like there are markings that were removed... could be a CE, CF but just hot sure... if it is a CE then 2010, CF then it was made in 2011, CD 2009.. a lot of re-enactors removed the markings... the grips are usually a giveaway, but they are so interchangeable these days, could be wrong.

    just a guess here.. probably worth 250 on a good day but prolly around 200..but what do I know...

    i love my sheriff model's... very handy.. keep it, and learn to play with it... you wont be sorry...

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    The cap and ball revolver is Uberti replica of the 1851 Colt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramson222 View Post
    5 chambers in the revolver.

    I doubt it is an 1851.

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    The revolver looks like a product of Armi San Marco of Italy. Check under the loading lever for additional markings. Looks to be .31 cal. ASM was known to make some oddball BP revolvers back in the 60s & 70s. I have a couple that look like 3rd model Dragoons but in .31 cal.

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    top revolver resembles an 1849 Pocket Model .31 caliber

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    Going by the photos I think the revolver has been reblued because the markings look like they have been washed out from buffing and the frames were color case hardened not blued. I agree that its a 1849 pocket model could be its an old kit gun that got finished.

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