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    Hardness 14-15

    Im Bullet shopping from makers .

    Some like Western , Rim rock, Penn etc emailed me back saying their bullets are 14-15 bhn

    Is that too hard or OK ? ??.... I was thinking 11 BHN

    Im shooting .45 colt .

    Western Bullet has a RCBS 45-270-SAA they said they are 14-15 bhn

    Ive shot and have left some Western Bullet .44 keith bullets also that I liked

    Penn was telling me 14-15 BHN is needed to get good corners on the flat base and lube rings

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    They use hard bullets so their product survives shipping. You dont need bullets that hard. They fed you some BS about good lube ring.

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    GT bullets says they use 2-2-96 .... Is that 11BHN?

    Says 2-2-96 in the description of these 280 gr .45
    https://www.gtbullets.com/index.php?...products_id=56

    Might get the GTs

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    Anymore comments on BHN hardness I should buy from?

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    Hardness would depend on the use of the bullet.

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    Hardness is one factor to consider. Most important is the fit of the bullet to your bore. I have limited experience with factory cast bullets, but from what I've seen, they tend to be a might small for my guns. Too small and they will tend to lead the bore. A proper fit is key to good shooting. I'm sure some will work just fine, but others may lead the bore. Just have to try it out. Finding the right mix of bullet size / bore size, velocity, hardness, & lube is the name of the game.

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    Missouri Bullets considers their "cowboy" bullets to be 12 BHN. I have used these in my .45 Colt revolvers, and the same load in the Rossi lever action, and NO indications of leading in the bore. I have also cast some bullets using 1-16 lead which supposedly gives a BHN of about 11, and have also cast using 1-20 lead, which gives a BHN of about 10. Again, no indications of leading or fouling in the barrels. Judging from my own, personal experience, a BHN of 14 to 15 is simply MUCH harder than you need unless you are propelling those rounds to EXTREME velocities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 725 View Post
    Hardness is one factor to consider. Most important is the fit of the bullet to your bore. I have limited experience with factory cast bullets, but from what I've seen, they tend to be a might small for my guns. Too small and they will tend to lead the bore. A proper fit is key to good shooting. I'm sure some will work just fine, but others may lead the bore. Just have to try it out. Finding the right mix of bullet size / bore size, velocity, hardness, & lube is the name of the game.
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    Depends on loading/pressure.

    - Tier-I (Std Colt) use 30-1 (7-8) or at most WW (10)
    - Tier-II (mid-high/Ruger New Vaquero) Lyman#2 (15)

    NOTE: This loading is Tier-II

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    If I'm hunting I like something around 10 hardness. At .357 or 7.62X39 velocities you will get some expansion which is important when hunting. For target shooting I like 12 to 15 hardness.

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    Fit first for me , but I cast all my own , have bought jacketed for some things , but I do not worry about hardness in 44 and 45 , but I am coating to , size first hardness if you need it .

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