Beretta 92X Performance A new pistol

[tazman]

I was looking at prices and availability of both the Beretta and any of the CZ higher end pistols the last few days. The price of the CZ variants have gone through the roof. The Beretta pistols are simply not available.
It seems the CZ variants are so popular they will sell for more than suggested retail in most gun stores, even if they can get them in, which is doubtful.
I have given up on this issue for now. You can't buy what you can't find.
I was able to handle a couple of the CZ Shadow2 models that were someones personal property. Didn't get to shoot them, but the triggers were great.
I have yet to see or handle one of the Beretta pistols anywhere.

[wwmartin]

I haven't found a CZ 75 shadow locally so went the Gone Broker route. I was impressed with the first enough to watch for another and then another. I now have 2 9mm, a Shadow 2 and a TS2. Two 40 S&W a TS 40 and a TSO 40 and 2- 45 ACPS 97. All purchased at less than retail $. 3 used and 3 new. No complaints found on any of them other than the single action triger needs getting use to. I'm not use to 2# trigers. I've shot the 40 S&W TS1 and am impressed with the end result both in function and accuracy. The 45 will be next and then the 9mm. That is if I get past the 40. I like it.
I don't know why but I never snuggled up with the Beretta 92 and both are unfired in the safe. At the time the price was right at $25 a week. A gentleman I worked with had an FFF and would carry a tab.
Conceal carry it's a S&W 39-13.

Bill

[Bigslug]

I was looking at prices and availability of both the Beretta and any of the CZ higher end pistols the last few days. . .

Taz,

The CZ-75 has the distinction of being the gun I've almost bought, but haven't, more than any other. The grip is phenomenal for a double stack, and between the inverted, full-length frame rails and the Browning lockup, it just about has to plant the barrel in the same place relative to the sights every time.

I keep getting held back by the added complication of a DA trigger I wouldn't use (more of a tap-n-rack than a waste-time-on-a-second-strike sort of guy), and they're a little heavy on roll pins for my taste, BUT THEY REALLY DO SHOOT!

In the event I decide to do it at all, I'm currently waffling between the classic CZ-75B as the Cold War Kid, or the slightly more modernized SP-01 with the even longer slide rails and the flashlight hard-point. It would serve no function beyond "I kinda want one", but that never stopped me before...

[tazman]

Bigslug---CZ is making a model of the 75 that is single action only and has a super light trigger. Under two pounds. Designed for competition.
I am sorry but I don't remember the designation. It is one of the shadow 2 variants. Cost is nearly $1700 if I remember correctly.
High price, but you would only need one.

[nueces5]

this week I am finishing arranging the purchase of a tanfoglio stock2 xtreme
https://benstoegerproshop.com/eaa-ta...e-stock-2-9mm/
This gun, xtreme version, handjob trigger and alot of impoves
surely that beretta has the same characteristics
improved trigger
greater weight, with better balance
better materials
and all that translates into money
Here the cz is a little more expensive, in ipsc matches, I see many tanfo, many cz, but no beretta
I think he still has a lot to prove

[FergusonTO35]

I see this as an unspoken admission that the 92 series is still going to be Beretta's premier pistol and they will continue to evolve it. The would-be replacements (PX4 Storm and APX) have been pushed to the back of the line and probably won't have any new variations come out, other than maybe the APX carry since that is always a hot market segment.

[robertbank]

Ever have a cartridge that didn't quite chamber and when you dropped the hammer on it, it finished chambering but did not fire? Or a primer that did not quite get seated?
Double action allows for a second hit that may be enough to make it fire.

There may be some games out there where people have to start with the hammer down. A good double action pull make that scenario a lot better.

This gun is directed at the IPSC, USPSA, and IDPA crowd. The latter if it weighs less than 43oz. It's primary competitprs are the CZ Shadow 2 and the Tanfoglio Stock 111. It's price is above the CZ and a bit below what a Stock 111 would cost you up here. Tough market to break into. Beretta will need a major victory in USPSA or IPSC to develop a following.

I don't see much benefit IF you are not a competition shooter at that price. There are less expensive ways to get FO sights. Still if you are a fan of the design....and I am but not at the asking price.

Take Care

Bob

[Meatpuppet]

Ive handled and shot the 92X setup for USPSA Production Division. It is a heavy beast of a gun and the trigger in both DA and Single is superb. Stunning accurracy. But Ive got too much invested in competition CZ's to make essentially a lateral move in firearms.

At a recent training class I handled JJ Racaza's 92X Open Gun and it felt well balanced. Watching him shoot it is like watching lightning strike.

[Bigslug]

Bigslug---CZ is making a model of the 75 that is single action only and has a super light trigger. Under two pounds. Designed for competition.
I am sorry but I don't remember the designation. It is one of the shadow 2 variants. Cost is nearly $1700 if I remember correctly.
High price, but you would only need one.

It's more about the straight, unaltered service pistols for me, but the SAO versions were the subject of another conundrum, which I answered thusly "A CZ-75 that isn't DA/SA with no decocker is no longer a CZ-75". Even when they go SAO, guns that started as DA/SA maintain a lot of the original clockwork, even if it's just placeholders. Pretty much concluded a 9mm 1911 would be my choice if I wanted to go that route.

The light rail version tickles my fancy with its even longer slide rails, but another voice in my head wants the iconic original.

Pheh. . . been sitting on this fence for over 25 years, I can probably sit on it longer.

[tazman]

I have never fired a CZ75 of any type. I would probably fall in love with it if I did.
I do have a 1911 in 9mm and it shoots well(Springfield Range Officer) so in some respects, I don't know why I am looking at these pistols.
I guess the allure of magazine capacity and a good DA trigger in a very accurate gun is what gets my attention. Not certain why given I probably would not shoot it any better than the handguns I already have.
I think I need to make a range trip with my 1911 soon. It had been a while.

[Sig]

Bigslug---CZ is making a model of the 75 that is single action only and has a super light trigger. Under two pounds. Designed for competition.
I am sorry but I don't remember the designation. It is one of the shadow 2 variants. Cost is nearly $1700 if I remember correctly.
High price, but you would only need one.

That is most likely CZ's TSO (tactical sport orange).

[robertbank]

Tazman you got the itch. You will love a CZ75B. Just get a lighter mainspring in the gun and you will fall in love all over again. If you want to stick to the original look go with the 75 Shadowline. It is sweet out of the box. Love mine.

Take Care

Bob

[NuJudge]

The guy that seems to have sparked all the innovative Beretta 92 pistols out of Beretta & Wilson is Ernest Langdon. He started with doing trigger jobs on peoples' Beretta 92, taught Wilson to do them, seems to have suggested to Wilson how to do an improved trigger bar, then come out with a drop-in trigger job and more improved trigger bar of his own, then come out with a modified slide to low-mount a red dot. Somehow, Langdon got Beretta to cooperate with him. I have one of the 92X trigger sets, and several of the Langdonized, and the full Langdon jobs are better.

[tazman]

As it turns out, I was giving thought to the Beretta because I had a number of magazines that would fit it. They got sold when someone made me an offer I couldn't refuse.
I am no longer attached to the idea of a Beretta as the specific gun for this category. Options are open as the saying goes.
I have a couple of 9mm handguns that might fulfill this niche. I have to do some shooting with them and see.
The pistol range beckons and I must go.

[AnthonyB]

My not-so-local Cabela’s had a 92X Performance when I was there last week. I got to hold it and try the trigger. Very heavy, as others have noticed, and that was a deal breaker for me. My wife would not be able to support the weight while shooting. Trigger was nice, but it wasn’t spectacular. I was able to walk away. Not so with the Kimber K6 Target they had a few display cases down. That one deleted my Cabela’s points severely, but I think it will be a better K frame for my needs than my M19. The 19 will go back to Smith for a checkup, tightening, action tune, and re-blue. The Kimber will go in a Simply Rugged pancake and likely become my outside chore companion.
Tony

[Bigslug]

I have never fired a CZ75 of any type. I would probably fall in love with it if I did.

From what it sounds like you're after, it's the right tool for the job. As I've said, I personally have no use for the DA/"second strike" concept, and my general attitude toward the traditional DA-to-SA-with-decocker trigger systems is that we didn't bomb Germany NEARLY enough in the 1940's to properly thank them for inventing the cursed things in the 1930's.

That said, the CZ has been a close call for me because the mechanism allows you to ignore the DA entirely - unless you WANT that second strike - and the grip seems to work for accurate delivery of rounds either DA or SA without NEARLY as much need to concentrate on which of the two you're using as most other DA/SA systems. In short, I think it's appeal for me is that they thought of ergonomics before capacity, which was rare for the Wondernine era.

[onelight]

Another one to think about is the Sig P210 I am a huge fan of the CZ 75 models to include the 97 .
The triggers on the even the base model CZs can be made fantastic with kits from Cajun Gun Works.
I was very happy with the trigger on the Sig P210 out of the box (under 3lbs and very clean break.
the grips on the Sig and the CZs fit me better than the Beretta 92 , all great choices