Ever Try Cast .44 in a .50 Cal. Muzzleloader Sabot Sleeve?

[slohunter]

I have been using Lyman's 429421 for decades.

[444ttd]

10+ years when i was using my encore in 50 cal, i was using powerbelts(hp and plastic tip) and the i didn't like the destruction they caused. i never went to sabots, so i decided i would use my lyman deerstalker(sold) with maxi balls. i killed a few deer and now i use left hand flintlock cva hawkens in 50 cal with prb......or rather i would, but i didn't order patches(the only ones i could get locally were .020-.025" instead of .015"). instead its my encore with .429" 280gr wfn and sabot. i have a 250gr penta hp, 275gr ranch dog and 300gr fn gc that i could load my encore with.

[versa-06]

MMP can fix you up. I prefer the HPH Sabot, a little heavier duty than the plain lesser expensive ones. Probably 2-$3.00 more per 50ct. Good quality & seem to be good people, very helpful over the phone.

[444ttd]

MMP can fix you up. I prefer the HPH Sabot, a little heavier duty than the plain lesser expensive ones. Probably 2-$3.00 more per 50ct. Good quality & seem to be good people, very helpful over the phone.

i bought some tc mag express sabots for $8 - $9 per 50 at a lgs. i will NOT buy pyrodex pellets at $30/50 shots(50/50 pellets). i use 70gr of goex 2f in my encore. i have seen white hots for $30/ 36 shots(50/50 pellets) at a lgs too, but they can stay on shelf. in case you can't tell, i am a cheap basturd.

[versa-06]

Started using Pyrodex RS powder this year found it for $21.99 per Lb. I dropped my charges from 100gr (2-pellets) to 90 gr of RS with a 315gr cast boolit w- a shallow HP & my groops are much better. I think I'll be staying with the powder form, I'll take accuracy 1st.

[BunkTheory]

Ill post it for all, the pointed bullets sold for muzzle loaders NEED a special ram rod tip to prevent them from damaging the bullet tip.

Power Belt WORK,,,, you just have to AIM>

[Tripplebeards]

I tried .430 Lyman devastators about a month ago in a green Thompson center sabot made for 44 cal bullets. AS usual those green sabots gave shotgun blast patterns at 100 yards. I tried their black 45 cal inside diameter sabots last year with a .452 285 grain HP group buy boolit. It grouped 2 1/4” at 100 yards and 2” lower than a 300 grain TC shock wave with the same 150 grain pellet charge. I never tried to hunt with them because my muzzle loader groups tighter at 250 yards with the 300 grain shock waves then the .452 cast do at 100 yards. I just checked my zero on it the other day using my 300 grain shock waves. I knew I had it 2” high at 100 yards. It printed 2” high and a quarter inch to the right. Second shot touched the first. I clicked down 8 clicks and one left. Third shot hit the “x” dead center. I’m ready to go. That Omega is more accurate than most of my centerfires. I’ve consistently shot 4” groups with it at 300 yards and a 10x optic and under 2” at 200 yards. At a 100 yards bullet holes touch that look like one oblong hole. If it’s not broke don’t fix it. I remember 15 years ago went I got drawn for elk hunting. After the hunt my buddy set out a half dozen apples at a 150 yards. I hit every one shot for shot with the load. The bullet IMO is to hard for deer though. They run on average 60 yards but with a good blood trail….accept for last year. I had one go twice as long with no blood for last 10 yards. At least I know when I pull the trigger my animal is dead. I just have to find it.

[444ttd]

Ill post it for all, the pointed bullets sold for muzzle loaders NEED a special ram rod tip to prevent them from damaging the bullet tip.

Power Belt WORK,,,, you just have to AIM>

they werk too well. i'm a meat hunter, not a trophy hunter. i shot a doe at 25-30 yards with a powerbelt hp. it was behind the shoulder , hit both lungs and heart(made lung soup), thru the off shoulder and leg and she ran about 20 yards. i threw away the ribs and off shoulder meat. my entrance wound busted two ribs and it was bloodshot to the shoulder and to the doe's last rib. the leg of the doe was shattered and the reason it didn't come off was 1/4" of skin was left. that got me away from powerbelt's hp and plastic tips.

[Edward]

why would one want to use sub caliber bullets anyway, I always thought the only good thing about muzzleloaders is the bore size

You'd be wrong visit Modern muzzle loading forum and get educated ,lots of info and most shoot less than bore with sabots ! I shoot a CVA Optima V2 50 cal (pistol ) 1- 24 twist 16 inch barrel with an AR stock ,not traditional but a handi combo that shoots 3 to 5 inch groups @200yds and ragged holes @100 yds using my 45 Cal unlubed TC Maxi in a Black harvester crush 50x45 sabot over 70-75gr BH209/Ed

[BunkTheory]

they werk too well. i'm a meat hunter, not a trophy hunter. i shot a doe at 25-30 yards with a powerbelt hp. it was behind the shoulder , hit both lungs and heart(made lung soup), thru the off shoulder and leg and she ran about 20 yards. i threw away the ribs and off shoulder meat. my entrance wound busted two ribs and it was bloodshot to the shoulder and to the doe's last rib. the leg of the doe was shattered and the reason it didn't come off was 1/4" of skin was left. that got me away from powerbelt's hp and plastic tips.

my 50 cal inline, loaded with 120 grains of powder and a 300 grain 45 cal saboted jsp,,, is punching identical to what a 454 casull lever gun pushes the same bullet. Hits the same way to boot.
Makes a HOLE, yes, still picking up pieces of rib bone 5 years after i used one on a buck... but honestly,, why WOULD ANYONE be shooting through the OFF SHOULDER and LEG when they can GET a shot through the heart and lungs as you claim... sounds more of a marginal shot with bad placement not any issue with the bullet.

[444ttd]

my 50 cal inline, loaded with 120 grains of powder and a 300 grain 45 cal saboted jsp,,, is punching identical to what a 454 casull lever gun pushes the same bullet. Hits the same way to boot.
Makes a HOLE, yes, still picking up pieces of rib bone 5 years after i used one on a buck... but honestly,, why WOULD ANYONE be shooting through the OFF SHOULDER and LEG when they can GET a shot through the heart and lungs as you claim... sounds more of a marginal shot with bad placement not any issue with the bullet.

sorry, but where i hunt it isn't possible to wait to get a broadside shot from a rest in a hunting blind or a tree stand.

[quilbilly]

I have been using the MMP green sabots with a 265 gr 429 SWC for over 20 years for elk and whenever deer+elk seasons are combined. I also like them for desert mule deer because they extend the effective accurate range about another 75+ yards over PRB. I do prefer PRB in either 45 or 50 cal. for nearly all my deer hunting where ranges are likely to be 125 yards or usually far less. I have never figured out why but the green sabots from other manufacturers have not been as accurate as the MMP sabots for me and I understand they are(were) all made be MMP. The other brand sabots are shinier on the outside maybe a possibility. My load for all of the sabot+50 cal hunting has always been 78 gr of 3F Goex and it is devastating on our rainforest jungle elk.