Why are the only good Muslims, moderate Muslims?

[M-Tecs]

[Black Jaque Janaviac]

M-Tecs, nice post but it is too anonymous. We don't know who said it, or who the muslim guy being interviewed is. No way to check if a muslim really said this.

[fivegunner]

From my own research I agree with OUTPOST 75, He nailed it

[dtknowles]

So what to do about it. The constitution prohibits discrimination based on Religion or Politics.

Tim

[1hole]

So what to do about it. The constitution prohibits discrimination based on Religion or Politics.

Tim

The Constitution is not a mutual suicide pact requiring us to close our eyes to a group of transparent subversives. It's written for U.S. citizens and immigrants who wish to meld in, follow our laws and live as American citizens. With very rare exceptions, that does NOT include Muslims.

The issue isn't Muslim's "religion", as such, but we had better believe Islam IS a religion of death to anyone who disagrees with their specific Islamic splinter group. (Note if they can't murder us they're quite comfortable slaughtering each other; Sunni vs. Shiites, etc.) Only fools (Democrats?) will open their arms to pit vipers.

I say, "Our Constitution doesn't apply to interlopers, ship them back to their Shiite hole countries and watch our crime and welfare rates fall."

[M-Tecs]

M-Tecs, nice post but it is too anonymous. We don't know who said it, or who the muslim guy being interviewed is. No way to check if a muslim really said this.

In college in the early 80's I have some Arab friends that fled Iran. They basically stated the same thing and they laid out how Europe the the US would fall to Islam. So far their predictions have been spot on.

Here's one with a name and address for anyone that wants to contact them.

[6bg6ga]

I'll sum it up. There is no Good Muslim.

[augercreek]

Most of the populace is blind to the threat that Islam presents. They want to be all inclusive loving all forms of people ! Look what's happened to all the main stream denominations. LGBT's have gotten into positions of leadership in our church's and education systems and now we reap the rewards of it. Just look at all the protest march's the rainbows and the pink hat's come out in droves and that's what the media want's us to see! Now we have all kinds of splinter group's going their own way's and when we are divided we have no common goal or ground to stand on ! United we stand divided we fall !!!!

[UKShootist]

Hmmmm.... 'good' v 'bad' Muslims? Try tis for a comparison, although it may nt go down too well in some places in the USA.

When the Irish 'troubles' were at their peak, the media would follow every bombing outrage with statements from politicians that the vast majority of Irish people did not in any way support the IRA who were but a tiny minority. Every so often one of these murdering terrorist scum was killed by whoever and there would be a funeral. On the day of that funeral, in the town where it was held, streets were packed shoulder to shoulder with thousands of people who, we must assume, did not support the IRA. Coincidence?

[6bg6ga]

Hmmmm.... 'good' v 'bad' Muslims? Try tis for a comparison, although it may nt go down too well in some places in the USA.

When the Irish 'troubles' were at their peak, the media would follow every bombing outrage with statements from politicians that the vast majority of Irish people did not in any way support the IRA who were but a tiny minority. Every so often one of these murdering terrorist scum was killed by whoever and there would be a funeral. On the day of that funeral, in the town where it was held, streets were packed shoulder to shoulder with thousands of people who, we must assume, did not support the IRA. Coincidence?

There is a vast difference between the "Irish Troubles" and these Muslims (My opinion here) I don't think the Irish were responsible for 911 and countless gutless attacks on innocent people.

[UKShootist]

There is a vast difference between the "Irish Troubles" and these Muslims (My opinion here) I don't think the Irish were responsible for 911 and countless gutless attacks on innocent people.

The IRA certainly were responsible for a very large number of gutless attacks on innocent people. They certainly were beaten on the count by Islam. What I was illustrating is the commonly held fallacy that terrorists and extremists have no significant support among the general population. Vast numbers of the Irish silently supported the murderers of their choice while publicly regretting what had happened. The same seems likely among the adherents of Islam.

[Black Jaque Janaviac]

UK, I don't know if people in the US will disagree with your comparison, or if, like me, will be too ignorantof what it was all about. It all seemed to be going down atva time when I wasn't very concerned about global politics. Now I like to read a bit from a former Irish skinhead, who converted -- Joseph Pearce.

P.S. what does the avatar mean? Looks like arabic script.

[1hole]

The problems with the Irish isn't religion, as such. The problem is the Protestants are English and the Catholics are Irish; the key words are English and Irish, not their religion.

The English (William of Orange) invaded northern Ireland in the 1700s (IIRC) and took control, kicking the native population off their farms and businesses leaving the common people homeless, starving and destitute in their own land. The English passed laws and hired law enforcement to protect themselves and to keep the Irish on their knees; little wonder the Irish remain outraged.

History books give dry accounts of the facts of how it began and, to a somewhat reduced level, still applies. Fact is, Negro slaves in America had a much better and comfortable life than those poor people unfortunate enough to be under the repressive thumb of the English. Anyone wanting to actually understand should go to a library and find a copy of Leon Uris' book, "Trinity".

Unlike Northern Ireland, the Muslim problems ARE religion based and there will be no real peace on earth as long as even two of them still live. And there is NO WAY we, the rest of the world, can ever be safe if even one Muslim who actually believes his satanic religion is still alive.

Come quickly Lord Jesus.

[Black Jaque Janaviac]

Of course there are going to be differences between the IRA and ISIS. But U.K. brings up a similarity which should be noted.

The next point would be to move from there to noting that Ireland seems reasonably peaceful now. So what happened and how did things manage to settle down? Perhaps a lesson learned in some other sector of history can be applied to current problems.

[UKShootist]

M-Tecs, nice post but it is too anonymous. We don't know who said it, or who the muslim guy being interviewed is. No way to check if a muslim really said this.

Try this then.

Speaking at Kanal D TV's Arena program, Turkey's Prime Minister Erdogan commented on the term "Moderate Islam", often used in the West to describe AKP and said, "These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it."
Source: Milliyet, Turkey, August 21, 2007

[UKShootist]

P.S. what does the avatar mean? Looks like arabic script.

"Infidel"

[UKShootist]

The problems with the Irish isn't religion, as such. The problem is the Protestants are English and the Catholics are Irish; the key words are English and Irish, not their religion.

The English (William of Orange) invaded northern Ireland in the 1700s (IIRC) and took control, kicking the native population off their farms and businesses leaving the common people homeless, starving and destitute in their own land. The English passed laws and hired law enforcement to protect themselves and to keep the Irish on their knees; little wonder the Irish remain outraged.

History books give dry accounts of the facts of how it began and, to a somewhat reduced level, still applies. Fact is, Negro slaves in America had a much better and comfortable life than those poor people unfortunate enough to be under the repressive thumb of the English. Anyone wanting to actually understand should go to a library and find a copy of Leon Uris' book, "Trinity".

Thank you so much for illustrating the exact problem existing in the island of Ireland. The history of 300 years ago is as irrelevant as the wholesale genocide of the "Native Americans" by the white majority of the time is today. A historical situation to be known and understood while being irrelevant to today other than as a tool of learning human behaviour. My point is that people who are the 'peaceful majority' of any cause or society, beloved of politicians when addressing the issues, will deny extremism while silently supporting the extremists of their choice, praising them with faint ****s and in the case I mentioned, turning out in the many thousands to show support for the murderers of women and children at their funerals.

BTW, go into any Protestant pub in N.I. and tell people there that they are English is likely to result in a smack in the mouth.

[Arkansas Paul]

The problem with moderate muslims is that there is no theological basis for their views.
The problem isn't islamic fundamentalists. The problem is the fundamentals of islam.

[UKShootist]

The problem with moderate muslims is that there is no theological basis for their views.
The problem isn't islamic fundamentalists. The problem is the fundamentals of islam.

True!

[yeahbub]

Thank you, Outpost75 and M-Tecs for letting experience and learning speak. Quite right about checking the pedigree of one's information and not just swallowing what may be coming via PC filtration. There are many who are apt to hurriedly accept soothing interpretations of what they see around them, lest they look too closely and discover the monstrous truth that's been lurking within reach which their diligent avoidance will not answer. I agree there are no "moderate" Muslims. There are fundamentalist Muslims and cultural Muslims, like there are serious and cultural Christians, and their adherence to Islamic doctrine is all over the map, from total obedience to can't-be-bothered-with-it, but all who identify as Muslim have at least a claimed loyalty to a hostile, dictatorial and wholly intolerant political system bent on the destruction of all that is not itself - and some of itself as well, because any system whose identity comes from being at war must have enemies and there will always be those who aren't Muslim enough, always some reason to label some group/village/idea/faction as apostates and slaughter them all.

The commentary on the near-total lack of taking personal responsibility for one's behavior are interesting. It was told to me that a couple of American oilfield engineers were on their way to an outlying facility in the middle east some years ago, and they had with them an old Arab man. On the way, their vehicle sputtered and quit and they got to work trying to determine what the problem was and whether they could effect repairs. Both of the Americans were under the hood when one had an idea. He stepped around the vehicle just in time to see the Arab attempting to look into the gas tank with a lighter for illumination. He stopped the man and wanted to know what would induce him to try something with such predictably disastrous results. The man said that no, nothing would have happened unless it was the will of Allah and he trusted that it was not, hence, no explosion/fire/grievous injury/death would take place. Truly, people from the "west" find Islamic thinking virtually incomprehensible, but it does have a certain absurd "logic" which they've used to conquer cultures for centuries who had no idea what they were up against. Accurate knowledge and clear analysis trumps ignorance every time.