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Thread: close range varmint load for richochet concerns?

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    Minimal ricochet means fragmentation.
    A .310 round ball is a compact 46?grs, compared to cci's 40gr segmented subsonic loads at 710fps. How much segmenting goes on I'm not sure, but if I'm really worried about ricochets and noise I'll bust out the .22 nitro piston. 14gr at about 650 fps. Works good.
    I know the 40gr solids I used to use as a kid would sure bounce.
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    Try the Aguila Colibri or super colibri in a 22 bolt or single shot. 20 grain pointed bullet both super quiet and accurate.
    There is not much energy after about 30 yards, so a ricochet won't go far.
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    quality control is rather random on the colibri and super colibri. same with cci CB ammo. Some come out correct, but enough of them come out to fast or too slow that its not funny.

    Sadly, the BEST best is to simply put a hollow point in those cci cb.

    you can use pellets in your .222 or .223 paper straw for paper patching, I know its true, I saw it done on here.

    Ive seen OLD posts on here about guys loading 32 caliber wadcutters to 6-800 fps and using as raccoon loads in the garden with no issues noted for ricochet.

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    I will say that the hornady vmax 32gr bullets in my 204 Ruger come apart between entrance and exit on a drink can, small 20 caliber entrance hole, VERY large hole on the opposite side...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonie View Post
    I will say that the hornady vmax 32gr bullets in my 204 Ruger come apart between entrance and exit on a drink can, small 20 caliber entrance hole, VERY large hole on the opposite side...
    Looking at promotional material from barnes, isn't the varmint grenade line supposed to create a caliber size entrance hole and simply explode like a grenade and leave NO exit hole? That WOULD be the "ideal" choice unless MUZZLE NOISE is an issue....

    Airguns can be awful fun to shoot but they do have more change due to atmospheric temperature then a center fire does

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    Quote Originally Posted by crankycalico View Post
    Looking at promotional material from barnes, isn't the varmint grenade line supposed to create a caliber size entrance hole and simply explode like a grenade and leave NO exit hole? That WOULD be the "ideal" choice unless MUZZLE NOISE is an issue....

    Airguns can be awful fun to shoot but they do have more change due to atmospheric temperature then a center fire does
    The Barnes Varmint Grenades would do the same as the 20 caliber vmax, very light jacket designed for explosive fragmentation and low ricochet probability. Most of the bullets with the "Varmint" moniker are designed this way to prevent unintended damage down range.

    I'm reminded of an advertisement in handloader years ago that showed a crow in crosshairs with the caption "Ever see a crow blow?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-Tecs View Post
    https://www.luckygunner.com/22-lr-40...onic-50-rounds

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    This product is one of CCI's top performing rounds. It is loaded to match your shooting skills with the maximum amount of knock-down power available for a 22 LR. It is a cousin to the renowned "Stinger" ammunition but with a slightly heavier bullet designed for improved long-range ballistics performance.

    Each frangible lead hollow-point bullet is gilded (coated) with a thin copper plating to reduce muzzle build-up and to help the bullet retain its shape during feeding (into the chamber), flight, and to some degree, impact. The frangible, segmented design of this bullet creates three distinct wound channels upon impact to take varmints out quickly, while also allowing for safer shooting in environments where ricochet is a concern.

    This round has a muzzle velocity of 1050 fps, keeping it well below the sound barrier, for quieter shooting. This makes the round a particularly good option for those utilizing a suppressed firearm.
    These have worked very well for me in a suppressed 10/22.

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    "Looking at promotional material from barnes, isn't the varmint grenade line supposed to create a caliber size entrance hole and simply explode like a grenade and leave NO exit hole? That WOULD be the "ideal" choice unless MUZZLE NOISE is an issue.... "

    I have some of these. They can be pushed over 4,000 out of a 223. I will have to try some subsonic loads and see if they still fragment.
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    bmortell: Glancing through the thread, I don't see where you've indicated a preferred platform. A .22 rifle w/ CB's is very quiet, but still dangerous over a distance. I sometimes use a .45-70 with a .457 round ball push in over 8 or 9 grains of Unique. Be advised it has some zip and is rather quiet. Use with caution and within your local laws.

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    .22hort gallery loads they are or were made to just disinagrate up when they hit something hard.

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    A very compelling subject.
    I like the idea of a pellet rifle and the silenced ones are more common now than
    when this thread was started. There was always the bow and arrow, but this thread concerns pellet, bullet, and firearm or air rifle. Most interesting, and I want to hear any new ideas with respect to the subject at hand.
    Maybe a new pellet or projectile ??
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    50 yrs ago a double BB load from a Crosman 760 at 10 pumps worked for squirrels if range wasn't too far.

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    That's interesting.I didn't know that could be done successfully.
    It doesn't damage the air rifle apparently either. Good to know.
    I always wanted to size down one of my lightest cast .22 bullets to.217 to try in
    my Benjamin pump.
    Was afraid of blowing the seals.
    Still am really.Would be 44 grains.
    14 grs is regular weight.
    2 would only be 28 grs.
    I just stick with downloading the .223.
    The .223 can primer power a 14 gr .22 pellet or even .5 grs bullseye.
    Actually need at least .75 grs. to burn powder.
    .5 hrs only blown out by the primer without burning.
    Probably needs a wad over the powder to give it some weight.May be 1/4 sheet tp..
    Didn't think of it till I wrote it here.
    I'll try it next play time.
    Let y'all know.
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    When the squirrels start digging in the yard SWMBO tells me to get the pellet rifle out. I'm blessed with a wife who likes to cut the grass and do yardwork. That also makes her protective of her work and gives me opportunities for sanctioned urban hunting. I use a Benjamin Trail NP in .22 It shoots best with Crosman Premier (pointed). I usually get full penetration on a squirrel skull at 15-20 yards but the pellet always buries itself in the grass. I live in a subdivision but I'm not at all concerned about a ricochet. Quiet enough too. Never had a squirrel go more than 5'- even with chest shots. No need to overthink it. Although the discussion of options is always interesting!

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    I don't know if this is helpful, but a .22lr is my suggestion. Even though they ricochet more than other firearms, the velocity bleeds off quickly after the first impact. A while ago I was sighting in a .22 on an old stainless steel kitchen sink at 50 yards. The bullets were punching through nearly every time (cci std. Velocity). A few shots had that telltale whine of a ricochet, so I went to check out what was happening. From the marks on the target, it appears a few of the bullets struck the inside of the sink at a shallow angle, followed the sink bowl around 180⁰ and came right back toward me. Much searching around at the shooting bench turned up a few of the bullets, basically flattened on one side from the low-angle glancing blow. Then I noticed one in my shirt pocket. It would appear that a 100yd round trip, and a lucky bounce off a steel sink was enough to slow down the bullet to a speed where I was obviously hit and didn't notice.
    Don't shoot .22s at steel sinks folks! Your milage may vary from mine!
    However, I believe that the tried and true .22 rimfire is probably about the safest gunpowder burning option you've got.

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    I still have a few thousand Peters Krumble Ball shorts. Composition bullets that disintegrate on contact. My uncle use to have a shooting gallery at Canton, Ohio and bought it by the case. It’s good for what aggravates you at 15-20yds.

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    What you want is a cupped hp put in the nose of your existing ammo.

    The easiest way to do this is drill a hole in a piece of wood or steel (steel is best) so that you can put the 22rl round all the way into that hole. Turn the stock over so that the base of the 22lr round is on the bottom of the stock/shell holder/drillbit guide you made. Then use either the same size drill bit or 1 size smaller (1 size smaller is better) and set it in the hole and let it sit on the lead nose of the 22lr round. Put a piece of tape 1/8" above the top of the piece of wood/steel. Drill the nose of the bullet down to the tape line and check to see if it went deep enough to make a concave/cupped shape in the nose of the bullet. Adjust accordingly. Another drill bit to use is brad point drill bit. It will flatten out the nose of the bullet and make a hp in that flat nose. It's a lot like the nasty nose bullet the peco kelly tool makes.

    Do a search "peco kelly 22lr die" and you'll find articles about that tool along with pictures of what the different nose shapes look like.

    A cupped nosed or nasty nosed 22lr will not ricochet unless you have a blacktop or concrete surface (sidewalk/driveway/street/etc) behind what your shooting at.

    I use a paco kelly tool to make cupped & nasty nosed bullets.

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