Anyone cast for 7.62x25 Tokerev?

[44Blam]

I've got a CZ-52. It's a great gun that shoots straight - I've got no problem hitting 3" clays at 50 yards with factory rounds. And you can stretch to 100 yards if you don't mind blowing through some ammo.
Anyway, I want to start playing with some loads for it to really dial that gun in.
I've got a mould from Accurate that is the 31-087B. My plan is to cast fairly hard boolits, powder coat them and resize to .314...
For loads, I have alliant 2400 and unique that are at least semi appropriate powders... I was thinking of laddering up a 2400 load maybe from 8 grn to 10 or 11 grn and try to find one I really like.

Anyone have any experience/advice?

[Grmps]

I use the 311-93-1R LEE-6 apr 15 bhn over BE

makarov.com has load data for 2400 and unique

I am working up a load using 113grn boolit and TB

[Thin Man]

The mold I use for these boolits is very similar to yours, only in RN configuration. Mine is an Ohaus 32-085 R that is a 3 cavity pattern. It casts heavy with WW alloy so I use Linotype to make 87 grain boolits. These will clean up at .311" and I use them in 30 Luger, 30 (7.63x25 mm) Mauser and 7.62x25 mm Tokarev. These boolits will group as well as any jacketed loading. In the Mauser loads I ran 6.5 grains Unique for reliable and accurate loads, then again a bit higher with the Tokarev but this may be a good starting point for your CZ-52, then working up carefully at the pistol indicates.

[GhostHawk]

I like the Lee .314 90 gr TL truncated cone in my Cz-52. Over light charges of Red Dot.

With other bullets I always ran into chambering problems. But the truncated cone seems to dodge all that.

Then I found a good deal on PPU hollow point factory loads, bought 250 rounds and called it good.
So I have reloads that work, and plenty of ammo for her. So she has been ignored for the last few years. Probably time to take her out for a workout again.

[Dan Cash]

I am using an Accurate mould that is speced at 105 grains for my C96 Mauser and CZ52 as well as .32-20. It is a bit heavy for the 7.62 as some bullet protrudes below the case neck but accuracy is ok. The bullets are cast relatively soft, slightly softer than old wheelweight metal and sized to .311. That seems to work well in all cartridges. 6 grains Unique is used in the 7.62 for about 1300 fps and 9 - 9 1/2 grains of 2400 in the .32-20 for 1250 from a revolver. 2400 might be good for the CZ52 but have not tried it. I worked up the Unique charge to the point it would reliably function my Mauser with new springs and found that load to work in the CZ as well.

[Outpost75]

I use the Accurate 31-087B in my CZ52 and also in my TT33. Here is my load data:

Velocity Test Data for 7.62x25 in TT33 Pistol
Handloads in Starline cases with CCI500 primers
Ammunition Description___________Vel@15ft., Sd, ES n=10
____________________________________TT33, 4.6” bbl.
Romanian Type P Ball, Factory 22, 1984____1461 fps, 27 Sd, 76ES
Yugoslav PPU Ball,_____________________1310, 26 Sd, 66ES
Hornady 86-grain SP, 7.4 grs. AutoComp___1353, 20, 71
Accurate 31-100T, 7.4 grs. AutoComp_____1450, 16, 50
Accurate 31-087B, 5.3 grs. Bullseye_______1433, 28, 71
Accurate 31-087B, 10.8 grs. #2400_______1321, 11, 32
Norma 93-gr. FMJ .307”, 10.8 grs. #2400__1277, 18, 44

[44Blam]

Great information! Thank you!
I'll post up my adventure into reloading for this old war-horse.

[Cowboy_Dan]

I've loaded my Yugo TT with the Lyman 313249 and the Mihec 314-98 SWC with good accuracy. The SWC cut a clean hole through the broken skillet I found on the berm. I also want to try the NOE 315-89 WC as my pistol will feed an empty case.

[GooseGestapo]

My GI M1 Carbine shoots better with either the Lee 93gr RN or 100gr RN than FMJ ball.
I’m powder coating and using #2400. Running ~2,000fps.
Either should work well in the 7.62x25, as well as #2400.

[rbuck351]

I have a CZ52 and a Russian Tok. Neither will accept a .314 boolit without turning the necks but both need .314 to fill the grooves.

[Outpost75]

I have a CZ52 and a Russian Tok. Neither will accept a .314 boolit without turning the necks but both need .314 to fill the grooves.

This observation is very common, especially in the Chicom and Yugo pistols.

Neither my 1954 Cz52 nor my 1952 Polish TT will accept larger than a .311" bullet, but both shoot accurately with cast ones sized to that diameter.

[44Blam]

Whelp, I finally got around to testing my CZ. Sure enough, it will not chamber .314. I've got a .311 sizing die on the way, so I'll resize to .311 and try again. Then we have to see if it shoots straight and what loads does it like? And that's what makes this all fun.

[mac60]

Whelp, I finally got around to testing my CZ. Sure enough, it will not chamber .314. I've got a .311 sizing die on the way, so I'll resize to .311 and try again. Then we have to see if it shoots straight and what loads does it like? And that's what makes this all fun.

I have to size down to .309" to get reliability. I use the Lee 311-93-1R and the best results I have gotten so far were with Blue Dot powder. My brass is formed from 5.56. Shooting a Romanian Tokarev.

[TaylorS]

7.62 tok from 5.56🧐? looks like I need to make some brass.


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[AlexAkai]

I am working on using an Ideal 3118 round to see if I can make it work for my needs, the youtube gun video banning is getting out of hand (Bloke on the Range got banned, but he is back for now) but I found a video of a guy working with CFE pistol and it appears to have good velocity numbers, so I am going to try it with powder coated cast rounds and see how it does.

[mac60]

7.62 tok from 5.56��? looks like I need to make some brass.


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Since I had a bunch of 5.56 brass and see it laying all over the range whenever I go, I was determined that I wasn't going to pay good money for something I could make myself. I did it the hard way, but there is a guy "vonzep" I believe that makes a little gizmo to use with the little h/f chop saw to rough cut 5.56/.223 brass, which just simplifies the whole process. All in all it requires a good bit of "busy work" - cutting the brass, thinning the neck etc... It made for a fine little project for one day when I didn't have anything better to do.

[44Blam]

Today, I pushed a .314 boolit through the barrel and it looks like my grooves are .310 maybe .309... I sized a couple rounds to .311 and they chamber properly.
So, I'll size to .311 for my testing.
Next up, ladder 2400 and find my accurate round. Will post up a range report.

[fivefang]

.$$ Blam, today I shot a modified 90gr. Lee TL, PC, & PB-GC over11.0gr. of Alliant #2400bullets were sized in Saeco .313" die after PC, GC installed at same time, & also loaded 20 rnds. of Hornady .309" JHP same charge, had to use 2 different case neck expanders one .311" & . 307"for JHP, casings were of my 5.56 alterations, Ginex SRP. , these were shot in a M57 ,Zastava/Tokarev, I shot a lot with 12.5gr. of WC820 which cycled the Tok. properly the 11.0 gr of #2400, barely cycled the Tok. Fivefang

[44Blam]

.$$ Blam, today I shot a modified 90gr. Lee TL, PC, & PB-GC over11.0gr. of Alliant #2400bullets were sized in Saeco .313" die after PC, GC installed at same time, & also loaded 20 rnds. of Hornady .309" JHP same charge, had to use 2 different case neck expanders one .311" & . 307"for JHP, casings were of my 5.56 alterations, Ginex SRP. , these were shot in a M57 ,Zastava/Tokarev, I shot a lot with 12.5gr. of WC820 which cycled the Tok. properly the 11.0 gr of #2400, barely cycled the Tok. Fivefang

I do have a lot of W296 - which should be similar to WC820, right? I'll make sure to load some of those...
BUT the important question that I have is... How do you turn 5.56/.223 rem cases to 7.62x25? I can get 1000's of the .223s for free!!!

[Grmps]

Good video, I use this method but use a "n" reamer instead of the 2 drill bits and the worlds cheapest trimmer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlAFF79us8U