Making that Bullet Collator

[M500]

Honestly it works pretty well both ways unless something like 45/70 that is very long.
For .357/44mag I would probably just use a standard collator plate and maybe make it slightly taller. GWS has posted videos of those in action.

Thank you TylerR. That is definitely the simpler solution. On another note, has anybody developed a schematic for 2 proximity sensors on a single collator? Been thinking about it some, might have a solution.

[M500]

Yes, but they are going hyper speed (just testing before I had a speed control for that collator.) But if they work that fast they work even better at a normal speed....

https://castboolits.gunloads.com/sho...=1#post5369971

I'm a lazy soul......whenever I can, I consolidate and use a plate for more than one size. So far it works fine for 9mm, .40, .45acp, .357mag. and I even tried it with .223 rem. just to see if it would work in a pinch. But I probably prefer my lay down plate made especially for .223.....a little more efficient for that tall.

I made another plate for the APP to use with my tiny AmmoMike collator....using the same size holes and plate height....for .357. As you can see it works well. (holes look bigger because the plate is smaller)

https://castboolits.gunloads.com/sho...=1#post5412883

TylerR suggested making one taller for .357. Certainly can't hurt to stabilize them more, but I wouldn't continue to use it for short cases, or you may have two trying to drop at once. 9mm almost does that as it is.....

Thank you GWS. I remember seeing that video and looked for it, but didn't find it. So much to look through. Do you remember the thickness of that plate? I don't mind printing a new plate if I think I need to. I've already printed 2 plates for hornet brass and will probably print 1 more final variation. A mongo may not be the best platform for plate development.

[GWS]

No.....300 on the left alright, but Tyler's 'standard' sized one on the right....considerably larger than the AM version.

These are all TylerR plates...big is the 300....two small ones are his first size he calls "standard".


Of Tyler's originals the red is .223 and the green is .308. You can see why I reprinted them the bigger size.

I think TylerR has a picture of AM's compared to his, but I don't.

Okay, I just took another picture:


300 is at far left....TylerR's standard in the middle...and AmmoMike's model on the right.

M500: thickness of the plate is 8mm. But it's not a special plate on Tyler's original "Standard" size....it is his "Large Pistol Brass" plate...period. Slider in front is wide open. That pictured A.M. plate is a special plate on A.M.'s base. I don't think he made one like Tyler's that I know about....his was just bullet plates, I think?

I never saw a need for two proximity switches, so not me.....you may be the first, unless TylerR has played with it.

BTW, the green "standard diameter" rifle bullet plate above has a lot of risers....twice the need....but that was my first one. Live and learn. It works fine but it prints way longer than I would prefer. That's an example of a custom one though, and an example of over doing it. TylerR's "small rifle bullet plate" is what I would print now.

The front slider and funnel under the AM plate (red), is what I created to drop all pistol cases, similar hole to a wide open TylerR pistol case slider.

[TylerR]

I think TylerR has a picture of AM's compared to his, but I don't.

I did post a pic a long time ago. no idea how to find it.

This is a size comparison:

[Huntinherrington]

No.....300 on the left alright, but Tyler's 'standard' sized one on the right....considerably larger than the AM version.

That’s what I ways saying. 300 on the left and then the 30% larger than then the original AM (which is Tyler’s standard).

I somehow missed the 300 until the last couple of pages.

I might buy an Ender 5+ now.

[Huntinherrington]

I did post a pic a long time ago. no idea how to find it.

This is a size comparison:

Thank you for the comparison. The 300 is what I need but I bought a Prusa MK3s+ Before I realized you had a “300” model!

[GWS]

That’s what I ways saying. 300 on the left and then the 30% larger than then the original AM (which is Tyler’s standard).

I somehow missed the 300 until the last couple of pages.

I might buy an Ender 5+ now.

If you do buy an Ender 5+ (Tyler's latest one too) get him to give you pointers on set up and bed leveling. Especially get the polypropylene bed he has and recommends, and escape all the hassle of prints lifting. All my bed problems disappeared when I got one. It's got to be the worlds best material for 3D printer beds.....sooooo easy to use and trouble-free. I use TH3D's automatic bed leveling system.....don't know what he uses.....maybe that model comes with one already. Probably does. Pretty sure Prusa's expensive one does.

[M500]

Thanks guys. Couple of thank you pictures.

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[GWS]

........ A mongo may not be the best platform for plate development.

Based on the amount of media used and the printing time expended.....I see your point.

Commenting on your picture........do those motors use the same mounting holes as the Dayton's? What's your source and $ expended? The prints look great! Which printer? I forget.

[M500]

Based on the amount of media used and the printing time expended.....I see your point.

Commenting on your picture........do those motors use the same mounting holes as the Dayton's? What's your source and $ expended? The prints look great! Which printer? I forget.

Don't remember where I found it, but when I was looking for motors I found a cross reference to these numbers. Bought them of ebay for around $50 each or thereabouts. Printer is Tronxy X5SA-400. I reflashed it to Marlin for the additional thermal protection. Got a polypropylene bed which required an upgrade from the blue sensor to the black sensor.

[GWS]

Well I just now found a more reasonable source for your Molon brand motor, than the typical $70. And they do seem to have the same mounts at the Daytons.

At Zoro:

https://www.zoro.com/molon-dc-gearmo.../i/G100461364/

Maybe that's where you found them.

Then I went to Ebay and found one for $35.00! https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...2-1M&_osacat=0

Somebody ought to jump on that one.

[M500]

Shows what kind of markup Dayton has on their products. Probably all made in the same Chinese facility anyway.

[M500]

Well I just now found a more reasonable source for your Molon brand motor, than the typical $70. And they do seem to have the same mounts at the Daytons.

I question whether the best buy in motors may be the 60ga775 like 45acp is running.

https://castboolits.gunloads.com/sho...=1#post5379929

$35 on the Aliexpess slow boat or $45 from ebay with speedpak. If I print a 300mm I would probably try that one.

[TylerR]

I question whether the best buy in motors may be the 60ga775 like 45acp is running.

https://castboolits.gunloads.com/sho...=1#post5379929

$35 on the Aliexpess slow boat or $45 from ebay with speedpak. If I print a 300mm I would probably try that one.

Why not this one, which is supported?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[M500]

Why not this one, which is supported?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I am aware of that motor. Seen it in the manual and seen where you have recommended it. No justifiable reason to dislike it. Just not a fan of worm gears.

[GWS]

So is there something wrong with worm gears? Not something I know anything about.....please enlighten us....

[M500]

Worm gears have more friction and galling than a regular gear on gear configuration. Shorter service life. Tendency to fling the grease away from the companion gear rather than on it. As it pertains to a case collator, it probably won't matter. I just try to avoid them when I can.

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[GWS]

Interesting. I will say this on the matter: Compared to commercial bullet and case feeders.....these printed ones are so cheap to make, cheaper still to add calibers to, that paying $70 for a good motor is well.....miniscule......and the quality of the finished product just as good or better, especially clutched ones.

I have four feeders, many caliber changes, a 3D printer, to make more, all for the price of one commercial feeder, with 2 caliber kits. No need to quibble over $30. And yet, I would doubt the light use of these motors would see worm drive ones fail very often if ever......cheap speed controls....yes. So don't cheap out on those. (done that)

[M500]

I definitely agree. My interest in the 775 motor is more of an itch to try one more so than anything. I don't have a need for another collator at the moment, but if I get a summit press, that would change.

I'm a little surprised TylerR didn't include both 634 and dayton mounting holes on the same body. Looks like it would fit fine.

[GWS]

I definitely agree. My interest in the 775 motor is more of an itch to try one more so than anything. I don't have a need for another collator at the moment, but if I get a summit press, that would change.

I'm a little surprised TylerR didn't include both 634 and dayton mounting holes on the same body. Looks like it would fit fine.

Summit press? If you do that you may want this zip file.....

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.ph...#post-12380782