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Thread: Making that Bullet Collator

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    Well I am the one that forgot where I saw the “hanger” – actually think it was on Youtube.

    How do you extend the springs so they get so beautifully even ?
    Last edited by rogerandre; 05-29-2024 at 12:13 AM.

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    I did what TylerR told me....Anchor one end to a vice and stretch just past where it won't spring clear back. Trial and error.....but you better have a good anchor or it'll come loose and hurt you.

    What I did is I found a bolt that would just screw inside the spring tube then clamped them both in the bench champ...bolt head beyond. can't stretch the end in the vice so well, but I didn't need all of it....the just cut what I wanted with a dremel.

    Again Trial and error, but be careful. And easy does it.....no bull in a china closet stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GWS View Post
    I did what TylerR told me....Anchor one end to a vice and stretch just past where it won't spring clear back. Trial and error.....but you better have a good anchor or it'll come loose and hurt you.

    What I did is I found a bolt that would just screw inside the spring tube then clamped them both in the bench champ...bolt head beyond. can't stretch the end in the vice so well, but I didn't need all of it....the just cut what I wanted with a dremel.

    Again Trial and error, but be careful. And easy does it.....no bull in a china closet stuff.
    It's a bit of an art form honestly. Just go slow and don't over stretch. I haven't had one come loose and thwap me yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TylerR View Post
    It's a bit of an art form honestly. Just go slow and don't over stretch. I haven't had one come loose and thwap me yet.
    Noted gentlemen !
    Do you recall how long you approximately pulled out a 1 meter spring (finished length) ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogerandre View Post
    Noted gentlemen !
    Do you recall how long you approximately pulled out a 1 meter spring (finished length) ?
    There's lots of spring diameters, wire diameters......what you ask is a moving target. But I got out two springs I use, one for 9mm and the other with .45acp and tested them to see what they measure both coil tight and stretched with spaces just a tad more than wire diameter in between. Starting with both stretched about the same (a tiny bit more than wire gauge spaces between), I marked with a red marker a single coil 2" apart, then compressed them tight and both Surprisingly measure pretty darn close to an inch.

    So that's double the length after the stretch.....maybe that's a good starter idea.....so maybe you stretch 1/2 the length of the length you need? I never stretched a whole meter at a time! So no experience with that. Too unwieldy and scary for me. Guess I'd be afraid of ruining the whole thing.......but you realize that you will have to stretch it longer than 2x to get it to stay at 2x. Trial and careful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GWS View Post
    There's lots of spring diameters, wire diameters......what you ask is a moving target. But I got out two springs I use, one for 9mm and the other with .45acp and tested them to see what they measure both coil tight and stretched with spaces just a tad more than wire diameter in between. Starting with both stretched about the same (a tiny bit more than wire gauge spaces between), I marked with a red marker a single coil 2" apart, then compressed them tight and both Surprisingly measure pretty darn close to an inch.

    So that's double the length after the stretch.....maybe that's a good starter idea.....so maybe you stretch 1/2 the length of the length you need? I never stretched a whole meter at a time! So no experience with that. Too unwieldy and scary for me. Guess I'd be afraid of ruining the whole thing.......but you realize that you will have to stretch it longer than 2x to get it to stay at 2x. Trial and careful.
    Tested and worked like a charm - Thanks !

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    Anyone that have created a clever setup for running 2 collators (1 for bullets and 1 for brass) using the Dillon XL750 pole mount ?
    Perhaps using an offside mount ? Pictures please.

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    Why does the slide plate have a scre hole in it ?

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    So you can adjust it out if you need to. That way you push in all the way in and it goes to your set point instead of all the way in. different applications (bullets) need different locations for them to drop correctly for to be flipped successfully.....for example the base on a boattail and a flat based bullet is a different diameter, so adjustment has to be a little different. There clear as mud?
    Last edited by GWS; 06-09-2024 at 01:08 AM.

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    Here's what I did

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerandre View Post
    Anyone that have created a clever setup for running 2 collators (1 for bullets and 1 for brass) using the Dillon XL750 pole mount ?
    Perhaps using an offside mount ? Pictures please.
    Hi,
    This is what I use on my XL650, which should work fine on your 750.

    https://castboolits.gunloads.com/sho...=1#post5702860

    I can provide more pics if needed. Hope this helps,
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    I am also very interested in this type of mount. Got my collator for the boolits hanging on the side of the case feeder.......it works fine there, but it is too high up for me, would love to move it down lower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GWS View Post
    So you can adjust it out if you need to. That way you push in all the way in and it goes to your set point instead of all the way in. different applications (bullets) need different locations for them to drop correctly for to be flipped successfully.....for example the base on a boattail and a flat based bullet is a different diameter, so adjustment has to be a little different. There clear as mud?
    Yes thanks for confirming that.

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    If you mean two 3d printed collators I am using the KC10 mount from the contributors folder on git. Apologies for the sideways photo, not sure why the iPad does that.

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    Hey y'all.

    I'm almost at the finish line with my HomeFree Universal Reloading System by BF556 on GitHub but I'm hoping to get some clarification on what I need to attach the Spring Tube to the Lee Six Pack Pro case feed mechanism. I've printed the 12mm spring-tube adapter that connects the spring-tube to the collator and that works fine, but now the other end is just a loose spring-tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaak View Post
    Hey y'all.

    I'm almost at the finish line with my HomeFree Universal Reloading System by BF556 on GitHub but I'm hoping to get some clarification on what I need to attach the Spring Tube to the Lee Six Pack Pro case feed mechanism. I've printed the 12mm spring-tube adapter that connects the spring-tube to the collator and that works fine, but now the other end is just a loose spring-tube.
    Check out GWS's post on the previous page.
    https://castboolits.gunloads.com/sho...=1#post5730110

    You would need his modified APP main bracket. GWS uses clear tubing and also designed a support bracket to hold it. I am not sure if you can just connect a spring or not instead of the clear tube. Watching his video it looks like the clearances are very tight. He might be able to answer that one.

    Looking again he uses a pretty ingenious method to handle the press plate/bracket moving up and down using the clear tube. Obviously a spring would be bouncing around a bit as you raise and lower it. If you check out his post he explains it in great detail.

    I added GWS's parts for the mod to contributors.
    https://github.com/BF556/Feeder/blob...P_Adapters.zip
    Last edited by TylerR; 06-12-2024 at 07:41 PM.

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    Below: TylerR's Proximity sensor housing which I now use and prefer....my old "tee" shaped ones were not as versatile, and I broke too many.....tylerR's don't break. I would like for him to remove the two Prox housing parts in my section in "contributors"

    Below: I use them inserted directly underneath the case collators. The black spacer just above the green parts is needed only for long cases.
    The bottom part under the sensor housing is only used to feed cases to my RCBS presses using a direct shot of clear tube to the case feeder mounted to the press.

    For the Lee 6000 I use the spring parts below....then clear thinwall (not the exact ones pictured, but similar.)

    Below: These two on either end of the spring....then a conversion adapter to the clear tube below....see my videos in the THR how-to.

    Finally using adapters, I connect to the TylerR APP case drop tubes and modded (for the 6000) holder to the Lee 6000 as described in the THR thread.

    Below: The two parts needed to connect to the 6000.

    Below is a picture of TylerR's drop tubes and holder, but for the Lee 6000 you need the holder modified to different specs, the red one pictured above. Hope this helps a little. The THR thread has additional explanation and TylerR has the stl files for the two red parts pictured above......and see the clear tubing notes I posted in a few posts above....Important.
    Last edited by GWS; 06-13-2024 at 05:45 PM.

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    This helps a lot. Time to start printing.

    Thank you!

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    You are welcome. I went through the post above and the previous ones at the top of the page to try to word things better and fix typos that could confuse, so if you copied anything you might want to do that one more time....don't want to confuse anyone.
    Last edited by GWS; 06-13-2024 at 10:16 PM.

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    Dear all, What am i missing here. i cant figure what screws should be going into the clutch so that the nut is properly retained while the correct size screw passes through the body of the clutch. See picture. Click image for larger version. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitepointer View Post
    Dear all, What am i missing here. i cant figure what screws should be going into the clutch so that the nut is properly retained while the correct size screw passes through the body of the clutch. See picture. Click image for larger version. 

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