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Thread: Making that Bullet Collator

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    Quote Originally Posted by doublemike View Post
    Are the step/3mf files or any other source files that these stl files are generated from available somewhere?
    No the source is not posted. I do give out very specific files sometimes but they are in DSM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TylerR View Post
    I think it depends on how many bullets you are loading in the hopper. I have a guy who wants to load up 1000 9mm bullets in to a 300mm size feeder. Strips the hex out very quickly.
    I can imagine that's so. I admit freely that I NEVER fill up a collater with heavy bullets, and never plan to. My max is a hundred count box at a time at the very most. PLA is lightweight, and thermal printing a .2mm layer at a time is not even close as strong as injection molded nylon or such. But I want my plates and base to last a long time, and they will if I'm reasonable. 1000 9mm is bad enough....how about a 1000 .45's. that would really abuse. But to each there own, I guess.

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    Using the regular size feeders for a few years, the clutch works perfectly IMO. Never stripped a clutch with well North of 10K rounds through two collators. I typically start with 250-300 124gr 9’s in the collator and do fine with the Greartisan motor. If I fill the brass collator much more than a couple hundred for 223 processing the clutch spins, so I just don’t overfill. They also don’t feed as well when I put too many in at a time. Also, it is good to take a few min and rest my old shoulder while refilling to avoid repetitive stress as I had some ligament issues a couple years back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TylerR View Post
    No the source is not posted. I do give out very specific files sometimes but they are in DSM.
    That's a bummer. Why not make it a community project?
    Due to the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license I thought people would be able to adapt.

    This makes for a lot of duplicated efforts.

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    I've switched to CF-PETG for clutches. Easy to print and man is that stuff strong. Just use a .5mm steel nozzle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doublemike View Post
    That's a bummer. Why not make it a community project?
    Due to the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license I thought people would be able to adapt.

    This makes for a lot of duplicated efforts.
    The ".stl files are free. You could print them, measure them, reverse engineer them and modify them all you want, just leave the circle T off. But the source is TylerR's intellectual property and posting it to everyone would as certain as the sun will come up tomorrow, backfire. Somebody will start selling products and infringing commercial patents and he'll get the blame. That's why the Creative Commons thing....to prevent that....not to make it a community project.

    AmmoMike, whose original tiny simple bullet collator started this thread, had exactly that happen to him. A lawsuit really took the wind out of his sails. We all appreciate what AmmoMike created, but TylerR improved it and expanded it hugely. Let's keep it from disappearing like Ammo Mike's did. Duplicated effort is a small price to pay.
    Last edited by GWS; 05-09-2024 at 08:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GWS View Post
    The ".stl files are free. You could print them, measure them, reverse engineer them and modify them all you want, just leave the circle T off. But the source is TylerR's intellectual property and posting it to everyone would as certain as the sun will come up tomorrow, backfire. Somebody will start selling products and infringing commercial patents and he'll get the blame. That's why the Creative Commons thing....to prevent that....not to make it a community project.

    AmmoMike, whose original tiny simple bullet collator started this thread, had exactly that happen to him. A lawsuit really took the wind out of his sails. We all appreciate what AmmoMike created, but TylerR improved it and expanded it hugely. Let's keep it from disappearing like Ammo Mike's did. Duplicated effort is a small price to pay.
    Pretty sure that's not what the creative commons license is for or protects you from, or any open source license for that matter.
    The license already says you can use and adapt it freely for non-commercial use. So whether that's the source files or the resulting files doesn't matter. Someone can still infringe on patents just with extra steps. The source is the same. The responsibility would be with the person infringing upon the patent. If a pull request comes that infringes on patents that could still be declined in the github repository. Or he could just not allow any external changes but still share the sources. In that sense having the step/3mf files or the stl files in the repo would not make any difference on the legal side of things. So I guess something else is at play.
    With all due respect for TylerR, it's a single point of failure and a single point of attack. He goes down and all efforts can be done over.

    I also don't see why someone would take the effort to take the T off if they want to infringe on intellectual property/patents. It's just extra hassle with STL files.

    Nonetheless I have huge respect for all people involved and having put effort into this project. So big thanks for that!
    Last edited by doublemike; 05-10-2024 at 06:42 AM.

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    Dear Team !

    Anyone that have hooked up the collator in bullet feed mode towards a Frankford Arsenal X-10 press ?
    If Yes any cool pimps that should be considered ? Pictures (show your rig) for inspiration would be great.
    Best regards
    Roger

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogerandre View Post
    Dear Team !

    Anyone that have hooked up the collator in bullet feed mode towards a Frankford Arsenal X-10 press ?
    If Yes any cool pimps that should be considered ? Pictures (show your rig) for inspiration would be great.
    Best regards
    Roger
    Roger, I made an adapter to mount to an X-10. I'll get a picture of it for you

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    Quote Originally Posted by djinnpb View Post
    Roger, I made an adapter to mount to an X-10. I'll get a picture of it for you
    Huge thanks buddy - Highly appreciated !

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    Dear Team
    I can see that there is no bullet feed die for 357 Mag. Everyone just using the 38 feed die ?
    Best regards
    Roger

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    Yes, the 38 feed die also works for 357.

    Sent from my SM-N981U using Tapatalk

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    Quote Originally Posted by djinnpb View Post
    Roger, I made an adapter to mount to an X-10. I'll get a picture of it for you
    I'd be interested as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by GWS View Post
    I don't need it for the APP.....got TylerR's quick change system......for the moving feeder on the 6000 it's pretty useful, but I have mine fixed up also with the Quick Change and it works just as good.....I bought the Norwegian product out of curiosity.....and it is a good option too, but there's nothing wrong with the quick change, and I think it still is faster to change calibers....and it works for APP too.

    GWS would you be so kind as to send me your Lee 6000 mods? I will post them to the contributors folder if that is ok with you. Have some people asking about it.

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    The easiest way to get everything, parts files, and how to use them information, is to go to the "HowTo" thread I did in TheHighRoad.org

    https://www.thehighroad.org/index.ph...o-6000.921742/

    It has a zip file you can download in Post #5 that has the two .stl's in it. You can add the zip, the link to THR, or whatever you want to your folder. I'll find the source for you and email that too if you want it. Basically, besides your wonderful quickchange inserts, it uses a modified (different spacing requirement) insert holder, and then a support/spacer that drops into the hole in the front of the 6000 press...and holds the downtubes firm and sturdy.

    The modified insert holder below:

    The offset spacer below: (this offset spacer requires a short clear thinwall tubing (size talked about in the thread) slipped over it because PLA, unsleeved, is just too rough & flimsy. The tubing over it makes it tight, yet is smooth and easy to remove from the press. Shown upside down...the top slides into the front hole on the die deck of the press casting.


    The clear tubing pressed into your inserts is the important part that's covered in the thread, because it moves up and down with the stroke of the press. Once size clear thinwall tubing slides inside the other and makes it all possible.....and remember to use a case bevel tool to bevel the top inside edge of the small tube so cases don't stick as they fall.

    I do How-To's on THR for 4 reasons....First it's easy to add attachments, videos and pictures.....it becomes a separate thread not a just a post, it's archived, doesn't go away, is easy to find, I can refer interested people to it for a long time with a simple URL address, and finally, I don't "take over" somebody else's thread off topic.....like yours. I know this didn't start out being your thread, but it is now, I love it, and I'm not going to mess it up if I can help it.
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    This I posted in THR.org a few months ago, but it can't help but be of use to all the 3Dprinted case/bullet collator builders here....for sure those who buy Lee Precision presses that come with their standard 9/16" thin-wall clear tube in four-ways and five-ways, and want to print 3D for them..

    Rigid Clear Tubing Update!

    A couple of years ago all the thinline clear tubing came in 1/16" increments and the walls were 1/32" So they telescoped into each other perfectly. They were made by (or for) another company called Lee Aquarium Supplies....and they were cheap. Then covid hit and we all know what happened to the supply line. The Lee aquarium supply company (LAS) obviously had to change suppliers....most likely having to go Chinese, and the new tubing no longer had the same quality control because they stuck metric tube in some sizes and the walls thicker, 1mm, instead of 1/32". No longer would work....So I had to punt!​

    LAS Thinline 1/2"OD no longer goes inside common 9/16"OD tubes that comes with Lee's Precision's (LP's) feeder.....and 5/8"OD no longer slides over LP standard 9/16"OD. So......

    I found Uxcell Metric sold by amazon and found sizes that work with said LP standard 9/16"OD.

    Since 5/8" = 15.875mm and I was able to find 16mm tubing that says it measures 15mm inside. Well, 9/16" measures 14.288mm. So I figured that 15mm I.S. should work like the old 5/8" did. So here's the Amazon link. Perfect!

    https://www.amazon.com/uxcell-Clear-...43&sr=8-3&th=1

    So at Amazon's Uxcell page, I ordered two 15mm/16mm tubes and two 12mm/13mm tubes and they arrived in a couple of days....and BINGO! The metric tubing from Amazon/Uxcell is like it was made for Lee Precision 9/16"OD tube! For that matter is also fits LAS 9/16" OD just the same. So......

    The 15mm/16mm size slides over the normal 9/16" OD L.P. tubing.
    The 12mm/13mm size slides inside of the normal 9/16" OD L.P. tubing.
    Pictures below:

    (The Lee Precision 9/16" OD standard tube is in the middle).....notice the new thicker walled 1mm stuff has a blue tint looking on edge.





    BTW, sharing my trial & error experience using clear tube ..... I find the fastest way to deal with cutting it and smoothing ends, is just place it over an open vise...open a little smaller than the tubing so it rests part way in the grove, hold it by hand, and use a hacksaw to cut just a little long. Then use the side surface of a bench grinder (side of wheel) to quickly smooth it. See result in the picture above.

    Hope this helps those needing to use thinwall clear tubing......
    Last edited by GWS; 05-24-2024 at 03:06 PM.

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    Dear Team !

    What adapter (STL file) should be used on top of the feed dies when connecting directly towards Spring_Adapter_11_DT.stl ?
    This when running Drop_Tube_Alt_10mm.stl directly under the collator.

    Best Regards
    ///Roger

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    Spring_Drop_Tube_Large or
    Spring_Drop_Tube_Med or
    Spring_Drop_Tube_Small

    I printed one of each because I need them depending on the caliber....I just use the one that best fits, diameter-wise to the spring adapter above and the feed die below without creating a shelf for bullets to hang on somewhere.

    There is an extra large one too that I've never printed or needed.

    Maybe TylerR with his photo memory can tell you which one, instantaneously.....I'll have to research the parts drawer...

    OK, Update: Here's a couple of old pictures: Thumbnail of the 9mm version separated parts, big picture of 3 setups, 9mm, .45, and .40. Looking...it appears I used Medium on the 9mm and .40 and Large on the .45. Too bad I didn't have the .40 turned the same direction....not paying attention, obviously. I'll verify that one, but I think it's Medium.


    Verified: yes that's a Medium on the 9mm and .40s&w. Small_Spring_Drop_Tube? I use that for .22, .243, .270...... .270 is max.



    The left one using the spring adaptor 14 goes to a custom case feeder on my RCBS Pro 2000....for .45 cases...different animal, but maybe this picture is useful to copy for a quick reference.....think I'll print it and put in in my notebook for just that.....save me some time later.
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