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    I got the Arsenal 359-130-FP mold. It drops around .3585 for me, I size to .357. With 3.5 grains Titegroup, accuracy is superb. However I think my lube is too hard as I am getting some streaks of lead and no lube star on the muzzle. I'm seeing the same thing with my .38 Specials so it isn't just the 9mm. I have been using Randy Rat's Tac-X, which is an awesome rifle lube, however I think it is too hard for my pistol use.

    I had a tube of RCBS 80008 pistol lube on the bench so I emptied out the lube sizer and put that in it. This one feels softer and more greasy than the Tac-X, so hopefully it will coat the bore well.
    Currently casting and loading: .32 Auto, .380 Auto, .38 Special, 9X19, .357 Magnum, .257 Roberts, 6.5 Creedmoor, .30 WCF, .308 WCF, .45-70.

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    I already have a fair number of these boolits lubed with Tac-X so figgered I would try something I've been meaning to try. I dipped them in liquid alox and let them dry, as if they were surface lube boolits. Let them dry and loaded 'em up with 3.5 grains Titegroup. I tried the boolits out in my Glock 19 today and got excellent accuracy. The alox seems to have kept the fouling off the surface of the bore quite well too.
    Currently casting and loading: .32 Auto, .380 Auto, .38 Special, 9X19, .357 Magnum, .257 Roberts, 6.5 Creedmoor, .30 WCF, .308 WCF, .45-70.

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    Poured a bunch of the aforementioned Arsenal boolits last night. This batch I am going to size to .358 and load with the Lyman M die.
    Currently casting and loading: .32 Auto, .380 Auto, .38 Special, 9X19, .357 Magnum, .257 Roberts, 6.5 Creedmoor, .30 WCF, .308 WCF, .45-70.

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    I had pretty bad leading in my G20 with Buffalo Bore 220 gr TC cast boolit ammo. With the oem polygonal rifled barrel. Also got quite a guppy belly on the brass.
    I put in a LW oem length button rifled barrel and got very little leading and no guppy belly. Chronographed both barrels and velocity was very similar between the 2 barrels.
    I did have a case rupture some months ago when shooting 215 gr TC cast factory ammo from another manufacturer.
    However , I blame myself for not cleaning the gun after shooting a couple hundred rounds of 40 S&W factory jacketed ammo in that barrel.
    Gun was having a hard time going fully into battery so I helped it along by smacking the rear of the slide with the heel of my support hand.
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    If the pic gets posted , you can see it blew the case just above the extractor groove.
    The blast dumped the mag and vented some out the gap between the slide and frame. Felt like someone smacked my trigger finger with a hammer.
    The top front of the mag got chewed up a little.
    I took the gun apart. Really cleaned the barrel and the rest of the gun. I visually inspected the frame , slide and barrel very well and can't see any other damage. However I haven't shot it since. I would like to have a Glock Armorer look it over to tell me if its ok to go back to shooting it.
    I'm Kind of thinking certain215 - 220 gr cast boolits fit too tightly into the leade and that its not a good idea to think of a G20 as an autoloading 41 magnum.
    As I live rural and there are no Glock Armorers within 100 miles of me. I haven't done taken it to one yet.
    I'm also thinking of designing an Accurate mold to drop a 210 gr boolit from coww with a reduced diameter down to the case mouth. To give it a little room to let pressure build a little slower.
    Last edited by Cold Trigger Finger; 04-29-2019 at 03:28 AM.

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    I think once I get it checked out I will shoot standard factory 180 gr TC ammo in it and save these cast factory ammo for in case I get a 10 mm GP100.

    But I do believe the fault and blame lies with me for not cleaning my pistol and forcing a round into the chamber.

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    A member here, Doug Guy, will throat your Glock's barrel. Because it's Tenifer coated, he has to use a carbide reamer so it costs a bit more, but he can fix the throat. He does excellent work.


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    I have settled on 3.8 grains HP-38 with the Arsenal 359-130-RF seated to 1.068. It clocks around 980 fps in my Glock 19 and is as accurate as anything else I have ever tried.
    Currently casting and loading: .32 Auto, .380 Auto, .38 Special, 9X19, .357 Magnum, .257 Roberts, 6.5 Creedmoor, .30 WCF, .308 WCF, .45-70.

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    I wanted to share my experience with cast boolits and glocks.

    The long and short is, that boolit fit is *almost* everything.

    I had very poor results with early attempts to use lee molds and others in 9mm that did not cast big enough. With regular boolits dropping at .355-6 and lube grooves or tl grooves it literally looked like a lead mine after the first few shots. Even with BLL or Powder Coated, the boolits made a mess and were super inaccurate. The leading even happened with a Lone Wolf barrel. The LW barrel looked like it had the rifling cut with sand paper, I will never buy another.

    These are all powder coat molds from Arsenal molds. These are by far the finest molds I have ever used. Jared is a master craftsman, and I will not buy any other brand mold from here on out. Plus he's fast, will make them custom for you, and its not too expensive. He is not paying me to say that, I have paid full retail for mine and will continue to buy only from him.

    The Arsenal 358-130rn I had Jared make without lube grooves and casts around .359 for me. I size to . 358, powder coat and then size again to .358. Which just irons out the PC. Seated to 1.07 or so.
    These weigh 134 gr and with a mid load of titegroup. Not even a hint of leading. One pass of the bore snake and it wipes all the soot out and the bore is totally shiny. I use this in my factory G19 barrel and in the factory G34 barrel. Accuracy is very very good for what I want. I do a lot of transitions on steel plates from 5-35 yards, and its very good for that. No more jacketed or copper wash bullets for the reloads. Im sure when I put it on paper it will be as good as anything I have shot. From custom order to my door was only about a week or 10 days.

    I also have an Arsenal 403-200 WFN PC for my G40 10mm.
    Same thing, fit is everything.
    I run them 1.250", over a stiff charge of aa#9 in starline brass and fed lp primers.
    I they drop nice and big at about .404, I size to .4035, PC and size to .4035 again to iron out the PC.
    Absolutely scary accurate as far as Im concerned. Mind you I have a vortex red dot and done just a little trigger work.
    Sitting in a short camp chair with my hands resting between my knees I can do a 2-3" group on a steel plate at 75 yards as long as I do my part..... thats as good as I need. Plus the boolit is moving so fast, its basically point of aim from point blank to 75 yards, and when I get good enough at 75 to never miss I will start at 100 I bet its nearly the same POI.

    Shiny bore after hundreds of rounds, and the aa#9 is super clean and the brass doesn't need tumbling. I hardly even need to clean it, but I do.
    I have sent about a thousand rounds this way now in 10mm, and it's far exceeded my expectations.

    Were I to do any other glocks in the future, the recipe would be the same, a couple thousandths larger than normal, powder coat a smooth sided boolit, and send it!!

    Dan
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    Arsenal is the best kept secret in molds, I'm going to buy the 358-100-TC for my .380's.
    Currently casting and loading: .32 Auto, .380 Auto, .38 Special, 9X19, .357 Magnum, .257 Roberts, 6.5 Creedmoor, .30 WCF, .308 WCF, .45-70.

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    Well, no, fit isn't everything. It's really close, it's King, but don't forget the Queen (hardness). She can matter. I've Glocks that insist upon both being paid attention to or I pay the penalty in leading.

    If mama ain't happy . . .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Catshooter View Post
    Well, no, fit isn't everything. It's really close, it's King, but don't forget the Queen (hardness). She can matter. I've Glocks that insist upon both being paid attention to or I pay the penalty in leading.

    If mama ain't happy . . .


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    Haha, here I'll go edit my post to say *almost* everything lol

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    I have had a glock 34 for about 6 yrs have shot nothing but cast bullets ,(with the exception of the 3st box of Hollowpoints to get a baseline),with 147 gr flat points Get about2 to 2 1/2 inches from rest. Any other weight opens up.Prefered powder is power pistol.

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    I load a 188 grain boolit from NOE (HTC402-188-WFN) I load this under 7.9 grn of AA#7 and with the factory barrel, I get poor accuracy. I also get some mild leading but not a lot of buildup. But in the KKM drop in barrel, it is very accurate and NO leading.
    Just my experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 44Blam View Post
    I load a 188 grain boolit from NOE (HTC402-188-WFN) I load this under 7.9 grn of AA#7 and with the factory barrel, I get poor accuracy. I also get some mild leading but not a lot of buildup. But in the KKM drop in barrel, it is very accurate and NO leading.
    Just my experience.
    I have shot mostly NOTHING BUT Magma Engineering 147 grn FP sized 0.356" or 0.357" in my Glock 19.

    I add 2% tin and 3% antimony to range salvage ingots, using foundry type as the alloy. Bullet are are around 14 BNH, w/o looking at my records; fairly hard.

    My G19 has over 15K rounds thru it and looks as new on the inside and outside. Make sure to change out the trigger return spring every 5K rounds. It WILL fail before 10K.

    Every once in a while I shoot one or two jacketed bullets to "clean up" a bore which I am not sure needs cleaning.

    I use a sub maximum load of @231. It smokes, but miraculously leaves the firearm pretty clean. I clean the Glock every 600 or so rounds, just for fun; it would continue to operate properly way beyond that.

    What more can a shooter ask for?

    These rounds are accurate. Accurate. Accurate.
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    I tried 4 grains of HP-38 under the Arsenal 359-130-RF sized to .357 and seated to 1.075 and was shocked at how good it shoots in my 19.
    Currently casting and loading: .32 Auto, .380 Auto, .38 Special, 9X19, .357 Magnum, .257 Roberts, 6.5 Creedmoor, .30 WCF, .308 WCF, .45-70.

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    Here are some results from wheel weights, MP 115gr RN and White Label 2700.
    Shot them in a Sig P320 too. One Glock barrel is factory stock and one aftermarket. Saw no difference in the amount of leading between barrels.
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    There has been buckets of cast 45gap,357,40,9mm & 22tcm ran through my 23 & 38 glock. Both bought used,the 23 was a ex law enforcement FBI model. It came from a gov sale in Charleston Wva. I’ve bought and ran lone wolf conversion barrels in it since I bought it in 2009. The 38 45Gap was a Union Sportsman’s fest auction prize,it too has had buckets of cast 45gap through it. Neither of my glocks have shown any ill effects or symptoms in either factory chambering or my conversions
    Last edited by swingingblock2520; 10-18-2021 at 01:07 AM. Reason: Miss-typed some info,thanks catshooter
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    How did you run .357s in your 38?
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    You can chamber down but not in the 10mm and up. I miss spoke there and I do apologize. I was talking about my 23,thinking about my 23 and conversions. The 38 is straight up 45 stubby lol again I apologize for my error,lack of sleep and a sick baby are no excuse for not proof reading. I will redact that ASAP. Thanks for catching that my friend.
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    I have a g19 with a ported barrel. There’s significant streaks of leading in the barrel after the ports in line with the ports. I’ll probably have to get a n aftermarket non-ported barrel, but finding one not threaded and affordable is tough

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