We believe here in Idaho, and the State Constitution agrees, that the 2nd Amendment is an absolute, as do Kansas and several other states.
I would request that duckiller and rogerdat not move here with their socialist philosophy that the Constitution does not precisely state your rights. It's like the Ten Commandments, written is stone.
So, which religion do you want the government to force you to worship?Originally Posted by Duckiller
Unfortunately there are a couple of universities in Texas that have been infested with the liberal scum professors who came here from other states, but you'll find that less at TAMU. And even our worst liberal leaning university is more conservative than your most conservative university. So, I think our education system is pretty good.
You've just been around those of the liberal mindset so long that you have been brainwashed to think that it is OK for the government to tell you which religion you must (or must not) worship and what guns you can (or cannot) own.
Last edited by NavyVet1959; 11-23-2016 at 03:01 PM.
well, yeah, and so much more.
Tim
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The pen is mightier than the sword - Edward Bulwer-Lytton
The tongue is mightier than the blade - Euripides
For those who want to put a serial number and address on a 80%er, here is what I suggest.
Prez
1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Washington DC
Serial # 000001 or Serial # 1000001
The ATF rule about putting an address on them doesn't say it has to be yours.
Multiple polls said absolutely Clinton would be our next president. So much for polls when someone has an ax to grind.
That is right, but it is sure not hard to belive, considering how many folks in the country voted for Hillary.
Then you take members right here, there are quite a few that doesn't think it is a bad idea, especially those that have lived in states that already require it. Nearly all in these atates claim this new law, or that new law really wasn't that bad, with that kind of attitude, when will the new laws stop???
They'll wake up the day after they pass a law that says none of us can have any guns anymore, but by then it'll be too late. Or maybe they'll start screaming for another law to force those of us who refuse to surrender like they did to follow their example, cause at that point, we will be criminals.
I passed my last psych eval, how bout you?
We have only one public shooting range on the island.
There have been many attempts made to close it down.
The city would like nothing better than to close it.
When there is an accident, a report is made. If an injury happens, the cops are called. This is policy.
The range has been shut down a few times. Once for two weeks.
We've had a few people who have no idea what they are doing.
They watch TV and movies. Read magazines. Pass a useless class. Then they buy a firearm and think they know everything about everything.
How do we know the person who made the lower, really knows what he's doing????
If it happened to blow, and shooter next to him got hurt, city would want to know why it happened.
Home made lower. No serial number. Not registered. Can see see that it is Illegal just by looking at it.
Why didn't the range officer catch it????
City closes the range until a solution is made.
None of us old time shooters what that to happen.
If it was a private range, it would be closed forever.
Just this past year a friend almost died from a blow-up.
He was standing next to it and got stuck with a small piece of metal.
Couldn't stop the bleeding, so ambulance was called.
It nicked a vain.
1mm more and he would have bled out.
The blow up guy just got the rifle. .308 in a .270.
Report was made.
Fiend got a bunch of calls, and one visit, from people investigating what happened.
Even the cops wanted a statement.
He didn't yell them anything.
Don't know how it is at your shooting range, but here we have to work to keep our only range open.
Need to understand the island is only 600 square miles land area. We have 1.1 million people on this one island. Not much empty open land left. Shooting range is in a shallow crater.
Range has been there since the 40's. Back then there were very few people living there.
Now it's known as the rich peoples part of the island.
I started shooting there in the 60's.
They probably want to close it so that they can sell it to real estate developers. As they say, "follow the money"...
And how does putting a serial number on it somehow magically mean that he knows what he is doing. Even with 100% lowers, you can't protect yourself from stupidity.
If someone can tell if one of my guns has a serial number or not, they are entirely too close. And without being that close, a person would be hard pressed to determine if a lower was originally a 100% lower or an 80% one. The 80% ones are already finished on the outside, you just need to mill out the inside. And you can't go by whether the lower is anodized since there are 100% lowers that are not anodized (I have a couple).
So apparently even registered firearms don't prevent people from doing stupid things.
I've shot at the range in question. It's a nice place to shoot. Taking the bus and then hiking north on the trail and then climbing down the crater wall is probably a bit shorter than hiking west along the road and coming in via the actual entrance. It just reminded me why I hate public transportation.
Everybody wants to frame this as the 'g*******n liberals' argument. That whats needed is just ignore the violation of the law, to stick it to the liberals. When in fact one would only be sticking it to themselves. Lets say YOU are the range officer, you know the rifle is illegal by state law, and you know the state is itching for an excuse to close the place. So the obvious thing to do is give them the excuse? Or the fact since YOU were the range officer, it will be YOU being investigated, for some other guy trying to do something he knows he shouldn't be doing. And what if something happens while hes shooting the obviously illegal rifle, think the 'I dont agree with the law' defense will end the problem? What will end up happening is the only range on the island will close and NOBODY will have a place to shoot anymore, yea that'll teach the liberals.
And for a group of people who preach comply with LE, and law and order, seems a bit hypocritical to say ignore the law when we please. Last I heard, breaking the law is.....breaking the law. If your for ignoring gun laws you dont agree with, then everybody else can ignore laws they dont agree with, such as politicians accepting bribes. They can simply call it 'free markets'. Or the much better option is use the system to get rid of that law, then we can shoot our 80% rifles all we want.
And sorry I would have to question the mentality of anyone who does something they know is against the law, then taking it to a public friggin range. Thats basic opsec.
First of all I am sure that I too see it the same as you do, it is in fact an absolute, BUT that matters not if laws are passed and backed by the courts! We can insist as strongly as we want and we may be (are!!) entirely right but that is missing the point, whether or not it is an absolute is not the question but rather how it's interpreted by those making the laws at the federal level and how the courts back those laws that matter!
Statistics show that criminals commit fewer crimes after they have been shot
Sounds just like San Fran!
"I don't have access to a mill, but I do have an AC arc welder."Just thought it was funny and wanted to share.
How in the world would someone do that unless they were intentionally trying to destroy it?
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Armed people don't march into gas chambers.
A Form 1 gun or silencer MUST be engraved with:
Maker's name
Maker's city and state
Caliber
Model number (if one has been assigned)
Serial number
I didn't Google the reg to post it, but trust me on this. I've read the reg a bunch of times. Reading the reg is how I know it's OK to engrave the barrel of my 10" SBR instead of engraving the receiver, since it already had a serial # assigned at the factory.
You need to engrave ALL of the stuff above on your homemade can, even if you just engrave a "1" as the SN.
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Armed people don't march into gas chambers.
I have a question that only Abunuito can answer, or at least one of them.
Does your range master inspect every gun to make sure it follows the letter of your states laws.
Does he inspect only black guns?
How is it that an that an ar or any other guns are obviously illegal as far as thesreial # goes.
I do not and never have owned an AR, but all of my guns that have serial numbers (and some don't) the numbers are fairly small and for sure not visable at a distance. I would assume they are on AR's too.
That is an excellent point, Starmac. I have a couple that just don't have SNs just because they are old enough that they weren't required to when they were made. Just bought (a few months ago) a single-shot .22 rifle like that from a pawnshop here with just a brand name, and not even a model or SN on it. I was too stuck on the home built AR discussion to think of it. Thank you!
I passed my last psych eval, how bout you?
Since the gun (home machined 80% lower) is perfectly legal, why would the RO be supposed to call the authorities?
It's just like any other AR15 without the NONE REQUIRED numbers.
Don't confuse the facts with political correctness. There are certain rules that must be met, but legal to own and shoot anywhere unless there are local laws to the contrary.
Information not shared. is wasted.
Mold Maker, he has already explained this. All firearms in Hawaii have to have a serial number AND be registered, that is why the guns themselves are illegal.
Their ONLY range is govt owned, thus the range master is a govt. employee and part of his responsibility is to insure all firearms on the range is legal.
So far it sounds like he is just telling them to get them off the property, rather than turn them into the law, like he is suppose to, so sounds to me like he is a good guy. It is not his fault the state has assinine laws.
80% lowers completed at home and perfectly legal as others have pointed out. I'd tell the range officer to screw off if he didn't know the AFT Ruling and the law. Nothing wrong with them
"Mold Maker, he has already explained this. All firearms in Hawaii have to have a serial number AND be registered, that is why the guns themselves are illegal."
Does not Federal Law in this instance supersede State Law as these are Federal Rules on the lowers? It's all confusing with magazine limits in some states and not others, silencer laws, etc. It's all over the place but since this is not an "add on" but integral to the firearm I would think that federal law would take over.
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Well We have a member over on anothe MG board that built a UZI ( semi) and I'm seeing alot of the laws here he mentioned when he built the gun.
All I can say is I'm glad I live in Pa.
And as a owner of several F1 items YES they must have the following:
Maker's name
Maker's city and state
Caliber
Model number (if one has been assigned)
Serial number
On a side note.
Isn't international waters like 12 miles out?
Solves the problem of a function check on a no numbered lower.
StarMac
AR's for the most part have a logo of some sort that is rather big and seen from a distance on the lower.
IE: COLT = Pony
bushmaster = Snake
DPMS = Panther
OLY = Lion
So any Range Master looking will know right away, say 30 ft from the gun if it has some type of markings.
Rich
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