We've been seeing a number of AR lowers without any markings on them.
When the range officers see them, they tell the owner to remove them from the firing line.
Where are these coming from?????
Are they being home made on a 3D printer?????
This could be a big problem.
It's only a "problem" if you don't believe in the 2nd Amendment.Originally Posted by abunaitoo
Even with the current (unconstitutional) ATF regulations, those are perfectly legal. A person can complete an 80% lower and it doesn't matter what it is made from. You are not required to put a serial number on them unless you eventually decide to sell them.
If it were me, I would find a new place to shoot. Those range nazis have no business telling people they can't shoot those 80% lower builds there. Same for Form 1 stuff like SBRs and suppressors. Glad my range is not like that.
Keep moving forward!
Absolutely correct. The BATFe would prefer that you file a Form 1 on them, and add a serial number, but it is NOT required.
Absolutely. Why is the range officer looking for serial numbers anyway? Is he an ATF snitch?
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Well, he *is* in Hawaii and there's probably limited places to shoot there.
When I was on Maui, there was only ONE gun range (Koko Head Shooting Center) as far as I was able to find out. And yeah, I did take one of my M1911s there to shoot. Not often that a guy from here can say that he went to a gun range where the backstop was a *volcano*.
Last edited by NavyVet1959; 11-24-2016 at 06:23 AM.
So if I was to take my old Savage 24DL, 22 mag and 20 gauge, with no serial number since it was made by Savage prior to `968 I would be asked to leave?
Does an individual need a license to make a firearm for personal use?
No, a license is not required to make a firearm solely for personal use. However, a license is required to manufacture firearms for sale or distribution. The law prohibits a person from assembling a non–sporting semiautomatic rifle or shotgun from 10 or more imported parts, as well as firearms that cannot be detected by metal detectors or x–ray machines. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and advance approval by ATF.
[18 U.S.C. 922(o), (p) and (r); 26 U.S.C. 5822; 27 CFR 478.39, 479.62 and 479.105]
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they are 80%'ers, and they are 100% perfectly legal to have, and shoot. if the range officers are asking them to be taken off the line, it is the range officer that needs to go!
Sounds like a Demobrat with a sore spot for the election results, or not able to mind their own,,,,,,.
The only problem is between his ears.
Information not shared. is wasted.
The member is in Hawaii. They may REQUIRE a serial number on all firearms. California does require serial numbers. LASD checks ranges for guns with magazines with greater than 10 round capacity. I do not take old magazines to the ranges. The States that voted for Hillary have some different rules and they don't believe the 2nd Amendment means what it says. Please let President Trump replace justices Ginsberg and Kennedy soon.
Ditto to what Duckkiller said. Calif. now requires a number on your completed receiver and its registration with the state DOJ. Wouldn't surprise me at all if the same is true in Hawaii. Calif. just passed so many restrictive laws as a result of the last election that you'll soon need to take your attorney with you when you shoot.
and hope you're not both charged with conspiracy to shoot straight!
In hawaii, all firearms must be registered. It has to have a serial number, or some kind of number, on the frame.
If it does not have some kind of number, it is not registered, and Illegal.
Firearms without numbers, are stamped with a number when registered.
Only one public range on island. It a city park.
Range officers here are good guys, except maybe one of them.
They are city employees and must follow city laws.
They are required to know, and enforce, the firearms laws.
By right, he was suppose to call the cops.
He did right by the shooter.
I've seen "No number" lowers at the range. You can tell by just looking at it. No markings of any kind on it.
I would love to have a bunch of "No number" lowers.
I would also love to have none of my firearms registered.
Just can't do it here. Unless your a criminal or cop.
Man it sucks to be you guys. All we have to do is stamp made in South Dakota on ours for manufacturing. I machine mine real small just above the trigger on the left side.
37-35-4. Made in South Dakota stamp required. A firearm manufactured or sold in South Dakota pursuant to this chapter shall have the words, Made in South Dakota, clearly stamped on a central metallic part, such as the receiver or frame
"Just following orders..."
"Just doing my job..."
Those excuses didn't work at Nuremberg and they shouldn't work now either...
You want to be a jackbooted thug, then you need to prepare for what happens to jackbooted thugs...
Last edited by NavyVet1959; 11-24-2016 at 06:24 AM.
When I was at Schofield,I kept 2 .45's and a .357 in my wall locker.Never encountered anything like that and I shot on a public range.
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DITTO ever build an ak from a kit and buy a flat from ak builders ? Those guys need to be edgemacacted I know its close . lol different places different laws ?
Last edited by 4719dave; 11-19-2016 at 09:28 PM.
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Just thought it was funny and wanted to share.
Some people should never touch a tool.
^Now that's funny.
It's only hubris if I'm wrong.
So there are liberals acting as range officers!
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