Sub for 2400

[gunauthor]

I use 2400 for several rifle cartridges (16 grains for 308, etc) and find it to be fairly accurate. I am nearly out and having trouble finding it locally. Any suggestions on a substitute? What is up with Alliant, I have a great LGS and they haven't had any of their powders for a long time. Thanks for your help.

[tja6435]

Accurate No. 7 and No. 9 do well for substituting for 2400. 300-MP is a lot slower than 2400 but works well for full house loads.

[dverna]

The Lyman cast bullet reference lists "accuracy" loads. Depending on your calibers and bullets, it may be one source for determining a good powder for your needs.

[sghart3578]

I shoot 16 gr of 2400 under my cast bullets in a '03 Springfield. When I was running short of 2400 I found that 15 gr of A #9 was actually a little more accurate in my rifle.

Also, 14 gr of Unique was a good one. And 13 gr of Red Dot. All were very good but the A #9 load is definitely a keeper.

[MarkP]

IMR4227 would be close as well.

[MT Gianni]

Accurate No. 7 and No. 9 do well for substituting for 2400. 300-MP is a lot slower than 2400 but works well for full house loads.

In a pistol, OP is looking for rifle loads. I would not substitute any of these for 2400 rifle loads. I do use AA9 in 30-30 but at a different rate than 2400.

[RU shooter]

Unique in the 14 gr range

4227 is a tic slower than 2400 and does well in rifle in the 17-20 range

Accurate 9 , I've tried it with only Ok results

Reloader 7 never used it but a lot of guys have great results in the 20-25 gr range

4198 is similar to the RE7

4895 28-32 gr range

there are tons of powders that can be used to get an accurate load just have to find the sweet spot for each and which ones best for your application , if your just 50 yd paper punching 6 gr of bullseye will shoot as well as any of the above .

[wiljen]

I've had good luck with blue dot in rifle loads. It is a good bit faster than 2400 so not a grain for grain substitute. I have used 13.5gr of Blue Dot behind a 185gr cast bullet in the 303 brit with good results as well as in the 30-06 for my 1917s and 03s. Both of those loads generate about 1600fps.

[runfiverun]

accurate 4100
western powder also makes enforcer which is 4100 in a different bottle.
in many loads they are within 1/2gr of 2400 for super similar velocity's and pressures.
it also meters just as good.

I don't usually say nuthin about it.
I have about 25 lbs of it put up [plus some commercial branded same stuff] so I don't care who buy's it now.

[Lloyd Smale]

accurate 9 on the slow side of 2400 and hs6 on the fast side. Both will work for reduced rifle loads but to be honest nothing works as well as 2400

[jonp]

Vectan BA 6.5 might get you there. Grafs has a deal on it with no hazmat.

[fatelvis]

accurate 4100
western powder also makes enforcer which is 4100 in a different bottle.
in many loads they are within 1/2gr of 2400 for super similar velocity's and pressures.
it also meters just as good.

Hmmmm. Interesting. Sounds like I'll be looking for Enforcer soon if I can't find any 2400. Thanks River.

[robg]

Unique is OK but I'd hunt down 2400 its my favourite in my 308.

[runfiverun]

no problem.
I traded Dick Casull some Unique for a big batch of the commercial stuff about 2-3 years back and started working with it in my 300 BO.
when I got to where I was happy with the velocity and accuracy I wanted I just happened to notice the data coincided with 2400 in the Hornady book [when I was looking for some sub-sonic data] so I started investigating further.

[Elkins45]

Vectan BA 6.5 might get you there. Grafs has a deal on it with no hazmat.

Naturally it's among the most expensive of the Vectan powders.

[quail4jake]

I trust Ed Harris who really stresses the use of 2400...but I can't find it either. So my question would be what is a safe range to use IMR 4227 in military rifle loads. (advice please). OK now the big question...Hodgdon now owns DuPont brand (IMR) and Winchester brand smokeless powders but publishes very little cast boolit data, why? It seems like we have to resort to Ken Waters and old Hercules data to find safe ranges for our homebrew galenetic wonders, someone tell me...WHAT"S THE BIG PICTURE HERE? (LOL)

[beechbum444]

I cannot find 2400 anywhere either. Glad I found this thread, Ive been looking for alternatives too.

[runfiverun]

4227 takes more, about 22 grs is in the ball park.
that's also how much AA-1680 it takes to duplicate the 2400 loads I use in my 0-6.

Ed switched to 2400 after seeing the pressure data from red-dot shot on a piezo transducer.
it really contradicts everything Richard lee said about pressure X whatever but 2400 gets you the same velocity with about 10-k psi lower on the peak pressure scale.
you just have to watch for it being position and primer sensitive in the bigger cases.

[crowbuster]

Got 6 lbs in tenn a month or so ago. Cabelas I think. It is starting to show up. Keep a look out gents

[leebuilder]

In the same boat, can't find 2400 anywhere. I have been using Longshot, so far I have had good results in milsurps, using up to 19grs
Be safe