Alliant Powder .. Worst answer ever from a powder company

[kdiver58]

I supplied Alliant the bullet, bullet type , case , primer, revolver, barrel length and the caliber (41 magnum)
And this was their reply .. So much for ask the expert ..

Load data is based on the bullet and its design, not the powder alone.
We suggest that you contact the manufacturer for data on their bullet.

Thanks,

Shoot Straight
DuaneVB
CCI/Speer/Alliant
2299 Snake River Ave.
Lewiston, ID

[JSnover]

What did you ask them?

[Outpost75]

So? They don't do pressure tests to order. Their published data is only a guide. They won't recommend a load they haven't tested. What did you expect?

[Char-Gar]

No manufacturer of reloading components will supply you load data for anything they have not tested in their lab. It is foolish to think they would do otherwise.

[dragon813gt]

They gave you the correct answer. They don't make the bullets so it's best to contact the bullet manufacturer. You must have been asking for something they haven't tested before. Post what you asked them and many of us will check our resources and may find a load for you.

[jmort]

Why is everyone so freaking scared to do some load development? Start low and move on up with caution. Here is what they publish for the 41 mag with 2400 and if you have a bullet anywhere from 200 to 220 you should be able to figure it out, if you don't have the two Speer bullets in question. I have a whole lot of manuals ans still have to work it out from time to time.

RELOADER'S GUIDE

Alliant Powder Reload Recipes


Recipe(s)

Caliber	Bullet	Case	Minimum OAL (inches)	Bbl Length	Primer	Powder	Charge Weight (grains)	Velocity (fps)	Notes
41 Rem. Magnum	200 gr Speer JHP-SWC	Winchester	1.59	6	CCI 300	2400	16.8	1,311	-
41 Rem. Magnum	210 gr Speer GDHP	1.575	1.575	6	CCI 300	2400	19	1,223	-

[JSnover]

On the Alliant website under "Books and Instruction" you will find a link to the Speer Reloading Manual. In the "Resources" section they offer a downloadable Alliant Reloaders guide and will send you a hard copy if you wish.
I know these days you don't necessarily have to own a paper manual but if you did, you might already have an answer to your question.
Sorry. Just a pet peeve of mine.

[dragon813gt]

There are also a lot of old manuals available for dowload in .pdf format. I have over fifty of them in my Dropbox folder. And they were all free. Almost every Alliant manual from 1995 on is available this way.

[dtknowles]

I supplied Alliant the bullet, bullet type , case , primer, revolver, barrel length and the caliber (41 magnum)
And this was their reply .. So much for ask the expert ..

Load data is based on the bullet and its design, not the powder alone.
We suggest that you contact the manufacturer for data on their bullet.

Thanks,

Shoot Straight
DuaneVB
CCI/Speer/Alliant
2299 Snake River Ave.
Lewiston, ID

Did you ask for a load for their competitors bullets? Why would they give you a load for someone else's bullets? Did you ask for a cast bullet load? Did you tell them the alloy, hardness, lube, diameter? Did you think to ask them what they would think would be a good bullet and powder for you to use in your gun?

Tim

[376Steyr]

There are also a lot of old manuals available for dowload in .pdf format. I have over fifty of them in my Dropbox folder. And they were all free. Almost every Alliant manual from 1995 on is available this way.

A while back Alliant discovered their published loads for Blue Dot in the .41 Magnum were, to their embarrassment, over current pressure standards. Use older Blue Dot/.41 Mag data with caution.

[Boolit_Head]

Or was it that in today's litigious society they lowered the pressure standards for 41 magnum? It did not just happen with the 41. Some Green Dot 12 ga loads disappeared along with a few others. Some of the Blue Dot loads I used to shoot for 10mm are no longer in the books either.

[JSnover]

Or was it that in today's litigious society they lowered the pressure standards for 41 magnum?

Manufacturers might reduce their load data but I don't think that would change the SAAMI spec.

[dragon813gt]

Or was it that in today's litigious society they lowered the pressure standards for 41 magnum? It did not just happen with the 41. Some Green Dot 12 ga loads disappeared along with a few others. Some of the Blue Dot loads I used to shoot for 10mm are no longer in the books either.

It's not a pressure standard issue. What's happened is they now use piezoelectric transducers to measure pressure. This gives them a real time pressure curve. So if anything is dangerous in the curve they don't publish the load anymore. It's not simply a matter of peak pressure.

Blue Dot has always been a wonky powder. Creates a big flash and lots of noise. But it can go wrong quickly w/ it. I have little experience w/ it but it's like H110/W296 where it has a fairly small operational window.

[jimb16]

Look at 700x data for 20 ga. loads. Today, you won't find any listed. When I first started loading 20s, there were several loads listed. It wasn't peak pressure that caued the loads to be delisted. It was the speed of the pressure spike.

[kdiver58]

I was looking for load data for Power Pro 300-mp , their web page had nothing on 41 mag loads. Lee , Sierra and others provide loads for bullets they do not make or make molds for . I thought it was a very simple thing to ask under their "ask an expert link" When I have emailed Sierra for load data they sent me load data. I'm not afraid to develop loads I just feel a powder company would have better resources than I.

[John Boy]

Why is everyone so freaking scared to do some load development?

Lack of:
* Reference Library
* Powder Types
* Burn Rate Comparisions
* No Chronograph
* Range Time to develop
Easier to just make a post and give me the answer

[Gtek]

I grew up hearing the statement land of opportunity, I think it should be officially changed to land of liability. I have come to the realization that it is dangerous to recommend a restaurant!

[TXGunNut]

With enough manuals, either hard copy (my preference) or electronic and a fair bit of experience with a given powder and cartridge it's possible and sometimes necessary to SWAG a good starting load if all the components are suitable for the task at hand. That said, best advice is to read a manual and consult it often. Start low, work your way up carefully. Then read another, and another. If you can't find a manual that lists the load you're looking for then maybe it's best to use a load you CAN find published data for. With a dozen or so manuals at my disposal and 30+ yrs of experience at the loading bench I occasionally take a SWAG at a load but only after hours of research using published data and my load notes and of course; starting low and working up carefully.

[flyingmonkey35]

You'd be lucky to get a powder company to admit their powder explodes!

I agree with everyone else start low.

Or post your question here and I'll bet you'll get some load data close to what your after.

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[JSnover]

Lack of:
* Reference Library
* Powder Types
* Burn Rate Comparisions
* No Chronograph
* Range Time to develop
Easier to just make a post and give me the answer

And it's not wrong, I think the op just didn't approach it in the best way. Since Alliant didn't come through, post #1 should have included all pertinent data ("here's what I got, here's what I wanna do, whaddya think?").
Anyway, looks like it's straightened out.