Powder magazine -- outdoor

[9w1911]

hey guys quick question, if one were to exceed the allotted county powder storage limits
how would you create outdoor magazine ?

[RPRNY]

Only addressing magazine design: concrete floors and walls sunken in earth (brick would do if you can apply a weather sealant), fairly frail roof, focus on keeping damp out.

[M-Tecs]

No....

[C. Latch]

Store some powder at your neighbor's house?

Kids or parents who'd let you leave a few pounds in their garage?

[dannyd]

The sad thing is how much the fire dept and government don't know. 1 gallon of gas is equal to 60 lbs of powder. Just think about what is in the car in the garage with the 20 gallon tank. 20 * 60 = 1200 lbs.

[dragon813gt]

If you live in an area where the fire code restricts how much you can store in a residence. I would talk to the building code department to find out if an outdoor magazine is even allowed. I'm betting one isn't. If it is they will be able to tell you the requirements for building one.

[Mark Daiute]

I have given this some thought, simply to get the large quantities of powder out of the house. My solution will be a simple framw and board structure made to look exactly like what we called an "outhouse" when I was growing up

[sig2009]

What they don't know won't hurt them.

[country gent]

A true powder magazine has several regulations to comply with. Shelves thickness and capacity inside. I have heard of a 1 hour "burn thru" rating also. construction is supposedly to be weak so no pressure build up can occour. Sides and roof again seale from weather and weakly constructed to minimize pressure build ups. I believe a couple louvered vents high on walls to allow heat to vent escape might be helpfull also. Actually the out house anology probably isnt far off from what is recomended. Securing it to keep nieghborhood kids and other out is a bigger issue. The needed specs can be gotten online or from local fire marshal easy enough.

[ReloaderFred]

The biggest problem would be keeping it cool, since heat is the biggest enemy of powder, other than politicians and fire marshalls, most of whom have no real clue about gunpowder. They will tell you it's an explosive, when it's actually not.

Where I used to live, my best friend was a Battalion Chief for the county fire department, a department with about 1,500+ employees. He's an avid shooter like myself, and knew the stock of powder I kept on hand, which exceeded what the county would allow. His stash also exceeded what the county would allow. I had my FFL at the time and we would order powder together to cut down on the shipping costs. His advice was to simply not volunteer the information that you're a reloader to any of the regulators. We felt it was none of their business, and that they should be much more concerned about the propane tanks we had, since there was no natural gas in that area. The 500 gallon propane tank next to my house worried me much more than the kegs of powder I stored in my shop. And as mentioned by dannyd, gasoline is a much bigger problem than powder. Powder doesn't release fumes that can ignite from the pilot light on a water heater, etc....

Hope this helps.

Fred

[lcclower]

Put it in an Igloo ice chest and if you can bury it above the water table but
deep enough to reach moderate soil temperatures.

[imashooter2]

See 14.3.9

http://hamyarenergy.com/static/fckim...20-%202006.pdf

Good luck with the permits...

[JSnover]

I keep mine in a working (locked!) refrigerator. And I'm the only person who needs to know what's in there.

[rancher1913]

several gun show merchants use those "knack" boxs like you see on construction sites.

[SciFiJim]

I use an old ice chest with lead ingots on the bottom to act as heat sinks and maintain a more even temp during the day.

The archives on this site are great. This is from 2009.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...Powder-Storage

[9w1911]

I would be worried about temp variation, and humidity build up, but I live in the Sierra Nevada it is rather moderate, record high is 99 and the low is -30. Potential for massive snow.

[Garyshome]

powder magazine or root cellar? I could build another small shed out back, without the building dept's knowledge.

[waksupi]

I use an old refrigerator.

[9w1911]

My old lady would kill me if I came home with an old fridge to store powder in and leave it outside for everyone to see haha.

[William Yanda]

I saw one solution utilizing old truck tires to build an underground structure. As I recall, that was in a drier climate than the Finger Lakes.