Lyman Wad Cutter help

[49FMarlin]

Lyman #358091

so ill be getting a Ruger Security Six-6" next week

(I'm going to order the Lee #358105 SWC for plinking and practice)

but wanted to order the above mold

and was looking through my books

Lyman 49th
Lyman cast handbook

I see loads for the wad cutter for the 38 case but not for the 357 case,

Im wondering if theres a reason? it cannot be loaded into the 357 case ?

if it can be loaded in the 357 case, where do i go to find a beginning and max load for it

I have on hand,
Bullseye
Unique
thank you

[TCFAN]

The 091 shoots good in my S&W 686 using 357 mag brass with 3.2 grs. of Bullseye.It will easily hold the 10 ring on a 25 yard slow fire pistol target at 25 yards from a rest.

[country gent]

You can load wadcutters in 357 cases with out issues there is some data out there in manuals or use 38 spl data. Traditionallythe wadcutter has been a light to mid range target load. A simle light load of bullseye something around 2.7-3 grns should make a nice light plinking load or small game load.

[dondiego]

Just increase any load for .38 brass a little when loading into .357 brass.

[49FMarlin]

thanks guys,
so i can go to the max (38 load) in the 357 ?

[dondiego]

thanks guys,
so i can go to the max (38 load) in the 357 ?

Yes, no problem.
Do you know when your Security-Six was made? Mine says "Made in the 200th year of American Liberty".

[tazman]

The Hodgdon data(http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol) site lists loads for hollow based wadcutter in 357 magnum brass for several different powders.

[lightload]

About your Ruger Security Six(and Service Six)series, they are outstanding revolvers, and sadly Ruger no longer offers repair or parts for them. Already prices for these are rising. They are sleepers so find one while you can.

[country gent]

As to upping the charge with hollowbased wadcutters be very carefull doing this a skirt can come off staying in the barrel becomeing an obstruction and wreaking havoc all the way around.

[Scharfschuetze]

By adding a +.2 or .3 grain increase in powder (Bullseye or similar powder) when using 357 cases, you are just compensating for the increased volume of the 357 case v. the 38 Special case. Velocitiesbetween the two will then be about equal when doing so. 750 to 800 fps is a good velocity goal for HBWCs.

The solid DEWCs can be driven as fast as any cast boolit if alloys and lubricants are the same.

My loading project this week (between skeet shooting trips) has been filling all my 38 Special cases with 148 grain HBWCs. A brick of Remington 1 1/2 primers is almost gone, but I'll have ammo for my 38 and 357 revolvers for a few months anyway.

The load is the classic 2.7 grains of Bullseye under the 148 HBWC sparked with the aforementioned #1 1/2 primer. A taper crimp holds it all in place. In 357 cases I'll up this charge to 2.9 or 3.0 grains for similar performance.

[RedHawk357Mag]

If you got a minute look for the following information. <<High speed 38 Special Loads>> and <<Cast Bullets in the 38 Special >> by John Goins and Revisiting the high speed 38 Special loads Full Charge Wadcutter by Ed Harris. I found it all to be great material and information.

[49FMarlin]

Yes, no problem.
Do you know when your Security-Six was made? Mine says "Made in the 200th year of American Liberty".

same as mine, from what I've read and serial lookup its a 1976

[49FMarlin]

If you got a minute look for the following information. <<High speed 38 Special Loads>> and <<Cast Bullets in the 38 Special >> by John Goins and Revisiting the high speed 38 Special loads Full Charge Wadcutter by Ed Harris. I found it all to be great material and information.

THANK YOU ill be looking

[49FMarlin]

About your Ruger Security Six(and Service Six)series, they are outstanding revolvers, and sadly Ruger no longer offers repair or parts for them. Already prices for these are rising. They are sleepers so find one while you can.

i know where theres another, but not the birthday model, 450 out the door, might put it on layaway

[dondiego]

same as mine, from what I've read and serial lookup its a 1976

Well, yea, 1976 was the 200th year of American liberty!

[RedHawk357Mag]

This was a pretty good thread if I recall correctly. http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=222142

[chboats]

For years i loaded a 150gr WC in 357 brass with 3.0 to 3.5gr of Bullseye, but never could get the accuracy that I get with 3.0gr of Bullseye in 38 cases. It must be the smaller case that is making the difference.

Carl

[Thomas Traddles]

I've shot an RCBS 38-148 WC in .357 mag cases over 10, 10.5, 11, and 11.5 grains of 2400 out of my 4 5/8" Blackhawk. These are very accurate and velocities are well above 1000fps. I like the 10.5 grain load best as it is most accurate in my gun and the velocity is, I think, subsonic. 4.5-5 grains or Bullseye or Red Dot in .357 cases give 1000fps + and have been accurate loads for me. 4.5 grains of Titegroup in .357 cases will also give you velocities between 1025-1050 fps and do quite nicely. 4 grains of Bullseye or Red Dot will give you velocities in the mid-900fps range, as will 3.8 grains of Titegroup.

Solid DEWCs like the RCBS and Lyman can be pushed harder than hollow based WCs. I would not use the charges listed for a hollow based wadcutter.