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Thread: Carrying a Tokarev, it's like an improved 1911

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    I love re-reading this thread!
    FMJ 7.62x25? Over penetration? A quote from a Russian I read somewhere: "Two holes bleed faster than one."
    I have two 7.62x25 tools...a Zastava M57A (GREAT safety!) and a CZ-52 in excellent condition.
    I also have a plethora of .22lr, .22mag, .380, 38/357 and 9x18 handguns...as well as long guns and a Remington 870 riot.
    I sometimes wonder to myself..."If I KNEW I was walking out my front door into a gunfight, what would I carry?"
    I have decided that my best options would be 7.62x25 pistols + my 12ga.
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    12 gauge first and then a Revolver/pistol that you are familiar with and can get consistent hits on target . Police reports show that the majority of gunfights are 10 yards and under. That is where the shotgun thrives. james

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    Well in my world I have a dofferent outlook as to how I value my life. A surplus Tok of dubious quality shooting a round that is hell for recoil vs a SIG 226 Mke 25 Navy that I can shoot with speed into a five inch circle under stress just is not an equal scenario. Nor is the option of a Mossberg Defender with five slugs at hand. God help me should I ever have the need but savouring a Tok just is not in the cards.

    Guys up here buy a crate of ammo for their new toy. Half way through the crate the gun goes up for sale. The fun of beating your hand up with poorly sighted pistol loses its appeal quickly.

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    I have a 1939 Tok33 my dad brought back from WWII. I have shot it off and on for about 45 years. I had to use 30 mauser brass and dies as there was no 7.62 x25 dies or ammo available for quite a while. I made a hundred or so cases from 38 spl but it pained me when I lost any of those. When boxer brass became available a got about 500 in trade but still use the 30 mauser dies. I have an old Swag-o-Matic and have been making 85gr 3/4 jacketed bullets using 50 cal bmg primer cups for the jacket.

    I also picked up a Chicom Tok in 9mm that the wife likes. I also have a CZ52 but I don't like it as well as the Tok. Years ago I bought a Ballister Molina that has been my carry gun for many years until I got a Springfield xds in 45. The 7.62x25 makes an excellent round for hunting small game and I wouldn't feel badly under gunned with it for concealed carry but I like the xds better. I believe one should carry the gun he can make fast hits with and not worry so much about power or penetration.
    Three or four shots in the head from 15 feet with a 22lr will stop just about anyone. If you can't place three or four shots in a 3" circle at 15 feet in under 2 seconds you need more proper practice not a bigger or faster round.

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    Before posting a thread titled as this one is, "improved 1911" one should sit back and ponder that exact terminology. Improved? 1911 improved? With an 86gr boolit the 1911 is improved? Very funny.

    People have been trying for over 100yrs to "improve" the 1911. Guess what it's still as good now as it was 100yrs ago without any modern "refinements" and if there was one single thing that COULD improve the 1911, it would be a toss up between the addition of a firing pin safety, or the double stack magazine which offers 7 more rounds of 230gr wallop than it had in 1911. Everything else you see stuck on one is an unnecessary "solution" to a problem that wasn't a problem until someone invented it.

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    I had a CZ in 7.65...which I think was the 52(?) I shot about 50 rounds through it....and gave it away. I expect the cartridge and handgun adequate and serviceable, I just didn't care for it. The depth of the grip was a bit long for my hand and consequently was pulled off to the right for me to reach the trigger. The 1911 is comfortable in my hand and I shoot better with it....the precious little I shoot it.
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    Just a thought but the Tok round might be better placed in a semi-auto carbine such as the Ruger PCC.

    Just saying.

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    Carrying a Tokarev, it's like an improved 1911
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    Quote Originally Posted by DougGuy View Post
    Before posting a thread titled as this one is, "improved 1911" one should sit back and ponder that exact terminology. Improved? 1911 improved? With an 86gr boolit the 1911 is improved? Very funny.

    People have been trying for over 100yrs to "improve" the 1911. Guess what it's still as good now as it was 100yrs ago without any modern "refinements" and if there was one single thing that COULD improve the 1911, it would be a toss up between the addition of a firing pin safety, or the double stack magazine which offers 7 more rounds of 230gr wallop than it had in 1911. Everything else you see stuck on one is an unnecessary "solution" to a problem that wasn't a problem until someone invented it.

    Anyway, carry on gentlemen...
    Quote Originally Posted by Skipper View Post

    I have to agree.

    The ComBlock has never "improved" a thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burnt Fingers View Post
    I have to agree.

    The ComBlock has never "improved" a thing.
    I think we can agree the modern sight packages made a huge benefit. Other than that...nothing I can think of.

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    I'm not a big fan of rhe link but it seems to work.
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    skipper, you took the words right out of my mouth.

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