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    I could have fixed that website in under 15mins a year ago. The separate charge is just weird, it also means you will pay more in CC or debit card fees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9w1911 View Post
    I could have fixed that website in under 15mins a year ago. The separate charge is just weird, it also means you will pay more in CC or debit card fees.
    They have an F rating with the BBB.

    http://www.bbb.org/western-virginia/...n-va-90008290/

    BBB files indicate that this business has a pattern of complaints concerning delay in delivery of products ordered and non delivery of products ordered. Consumers report no response to emails or voice mails when attempting to contact the company. The company has failed to respond to the majority of complaints forwarded by the BBB. On July 7, 2016 and July 21, 2016 BBB sent letters requesting the firm address the pattern of complaints. To date, we have not received a response from Expansion Industries.
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    Their Facebook page is even more entertaining. One gentleman looks to have been taken for ~~$2500.

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    Hope no one here lost $$ with these folks. I bought very good powder from 'em FTF several times at a giood price , but they apparently folded up a few months back and stiffed a lot of folks. Wonder where all those progressive loaders went ?

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    These guys packed up shop, stole a bunch of customer's money and then headed to Texas. Now they are trying to open up the same business down there... Changed the name and website just a little bit so that customer's don't see all their bad reviews and BBB F rating... Let's make sure everyone knows to stay away from these guys... They already scammed enough of us on here... These are their "new" website and facebook pages...

    https://www.facebook.com/expammo/?pnref=lhc

    https://expansion-ammunition.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2waysally View Post
    These guys packed up shop, stole a bunch of customer's money and then headed to Texas. Now they are trying to open up the same business down there... Changed the name and website just a little bit so that customer's don't see all their bad reviews and BBB F rating... Let's make sure everyone knows to stay away from these guys... They already scammed enough of us on here... These are their "new" website and facebook pages...

    https://www.facebook.com/expammo/?pnref=lhc

    https://expansion-ammunition.com/
    Somehow I had a feeling that was the plan. Thanks for the update. Glad I used my credit card on that purchase and let chase sort out why they never shipped.
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    Wow, that takes some big old you know what. The site sure didn't change much so they didn't do much to hide anything. It also proves that they are just thieves.

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    I posted on their new Facebook and got the following response

    Hey Derek thanks for the post on the page! ETR7 orders were either fulfilled or money was returned or guys/galls charged back on their credit cards and have received their money. I double checked to see that you had already got your money back and that we did not owe you anything. We arent selling powder currently and it doesnt look like we will be in the near future. We had a lot of issues with fulfilling orders and getting backed up on components and so we shut things down for a while and fixed all our in house issues. We got new machines and moved our location out to texas in Dallas and we are now only selling brand new brass ammunition. Cards are charged when shipped. So a lot of good things are happening. I apologize if you had a bad experience was not our intention. We are not selling as a new name rather our trade name as ATF has directed us to. Hope this answers some of your questions! Have a great week
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    Meet The Owners - ETR7 Expansion Industries

    Time will tell. The move is the suspicious part. Why not buy new machines and set them up in the current location? Lots of money saved by doing that. I have a hard time taking them for their word at this point.
    Last edited by dragon813gt; 09-18-2017 at 05:27 PM.

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    Yikes. I was really close to buying a jug of this powder back in the bad old days. I'm glad I never got around to it, or I'd have had a little headache on my hands before I let the credit card company deal with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2wheelDuke View Post
    Yikes. I was really close to buying a jug of this powder back in the bad old days. I'm glad I never got around to it, or I'd have had a little headache on my hands before I let the credit card company deal with it.
    In the shortage I placed an order for 4 - 4lb jugs, besides charging me immediately nothing every came of my order. I tried calling and got the song and dance about adding hazmat though the holiday I purchased was advertised as "free shipping". When they wouldn't do a refund I told chase and they took care of me. Learned my lesson about always using a credit card for online purchases rather than debit/bank transfer. You get much better protection that way.
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    I got the run around from them too (at least one thread here speaking negatively) same kind of thing and finally had to dispute the charge to get my money back. These guys are horrible business people who I wouldn't buy from under any circumstances.
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    I agree. Horrible to do business with them. Never again!

    But I still have 20lbs of ETR-7 left from a bulk purchase that took FOREVER to get. Dang if that stuff isnt great in 147gr 9MM and light 357 Mag & 44 Mag. Burns clean and cool for USPSA shooting. I will be sad when it runs out.

    Will never purchase from them under any name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meatpuppet View Post
    I agree. Horrible to do business with them. Never again!

    But I still have 20lbs of ETR-7 left from a bulk purchase that took FOREVER to get. Dang if that stuff isnt great in 147gr 9MM and light 357 Mag & 44 Mag. Burns clean and cool for USPSA shooting. I will be sad when it runs out.

    Will never purchase from them under any name.
    That's what's so frustrating, everyone who has used it and posted, has nothing but good things to say about the powder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meatpuppet View Post
    But I still have 20lbs of ETR-7 left from a bulk purchase that took FOREVER to get. Dang if that stuff isnt great in 147gr 9MM and light 357 Mag & 44 Mag. Burns clean and cool for USPSA shooting. I will be sad when it runs out.
    All they did was repackage powder under their own name. I forget what the powder really is. But I'm pretty sure you can still buy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragon813gt View Post
    All they did was repackage powder under their own name. I forget what the powder really is. But I'm pretty sure you can still buy it.
    Found this page, seems it's Maxam CSB-1
    http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...1-lots-of-data
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    That's it. They were just purchasing it in drum quantities.

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    dang I wish I'd have known it was Maxim powder.
    of course then I woulda been the guy that was out 4500$ too.

    I kind of figured it was repackaged 'generic' titegroup at the time.

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    ... and when I drove down to the storefront for the purchase - no doubt in my mind
    That's it. They were just purchasing it in drum quantities.
    * I asked the guys to use their bathroom cause I had a full bladder from the drive. Bob, the owner, quickly replied ... "The owners of the office only allow employees to use the restroom" Ya sure ... and no doubt the rest room area is their supply room with empty plastic containers and bulk powder where they repackage it into their powder jugs for sale
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