As an experiment I decided to see if I could stretch a 22 rimfire out to 25 caliber. Sure enough, it stretched. Neat little pill.
As an experiment I decided to see if I could stretch a 22 rimfire out to 25 caliber. Sure enough, it stretched. Neat little pill.
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Betcha my 25-2o's would like that one. Look out Mr. Tree Rat!
Spectacular!! Good work!
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That's neat! How much does it way. I've been trying to figure out if I can use 22LR cases for 60gr .25cal bullets for my 256 Win Mag.2
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I am ashamed to say that I don't know what it weighs because I have a project going in my shop and can't get to any of my scales, or other stuff, it is all buried behind a bunch of plywood and stacked shelving. I can't even get to my supply of jackets so I had to scrounge this one off the floor of the truck, form it, heat it with the torch and then I melted the core in rather than swaging it and seating it.
The swage press is on the end of the bench and the dies are in a bin just underneath. The die is one of my old Hollywood dies and it forms the bullet a little different than other dies. There is no nose punch, the bullet is formed by bringing the two halves of the forming die together and after the nose is formed the bullet stays in the bottom part of the die and is ejected from the bottom by a flat punch that pushes on the base of the bullet.
"let's go. He ain't hittin' nothin'.".... "You IDIOT, he's hit everything he's aimed at!"
WOW, How thin are the walls? I wonder if you are gonna run into engraving problems with the rifleing? Just how much bigger do you think the case could be made?
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She's mighty thin! Course I have shot plated bullets that were thinner. I guess the only real way to tell if there will be problems is to make some and shoot some. I would guess that this is about as big as you are gonna be able to stretch the cases. I did form two others, but messed one up trying to seat the core rather than melting the core in. With a core bonded to the jacket it might solve some engraving issues if they exist. I also think that Bullshop's two part bullet would be worth playing with in this caliber. My first rifle is a O3A3 springfield barreled for 257 Roberts with a cherry stock. My grandfather made the gun for me when I was 14 and made the bullets and ammo as well. This round nose bullet is from his dies, passed down to me. I still have a few of the shells he made.
"let's go. He ain't hittin' nothin'.".... "You IDIOT, he's hit everything he's aimed at!"
That part is easy cause the pictures are already up on the net. This is either the 30 cal set or the 25 cal set, I can't remember but they are the same as far as function.
The seating punch is obvious. the bottom die has the bottom punch built in and is spring loaded. The point form die mates with the bottom die and only the tip of the bullet goes into that die, from the ogive forward. after the point is formed the bullet stays in the bottom die and is lowered until the bottom punch pushes the bullet out by the base. It works well on jacketed bullets but not so well for swaging lead only bullets.
"let's go. He ain't hittin' nothin'.".... "You IDIOT, he's hit everything he's aimed at!"
Thor,
Thanks for the pictures, I was trying to figure out a way to make a point forming die. That is simple really if I understand the pictures, just core seat and expand the bullet with the open end sticking out then the other punch has the point ogive and mates with the other die.
One question I have is do you use a turret press and do one stag and then the next, or do you seat all the cores and then go back and do the point forming?
Rat-Man
"let's go. He ain't hittin' nothin'.".... "You IDIOT, he's hit everything he's aimed at!"
That's slick Thor.
Hey, I sent some of those v/g's to a guy that polished a few by hand just to compare
to factory.
IF I had your email handy I'd send the pics and you could post them here. I don't have
the mental ability to do so myself.
I like that shape on this one real well. Seems the brass jacket is more useful than we
figured it'd be. I never dreamed it would stretch out that far. Impressive.
I don't have a .25 cal, but, do have .243's so have been picking up mags as I can, and
lr's of course. Need to get back out there sooner than later.
Thanks for posting the die pics. Taking me awhile to figure it out. But, the way I
understand it now, the bullet is actually formed point down, right?
What about mashing to core's into the jackets, those upright, or open tip down too?
Thanks much,
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On the Hollywood set up, the bullet is formed point up but what you have to remember is that the Hollywood press does not have a ram per se, it has a moving platform and the biggest die (the jacket holder) sticks down through a hole in the platform and the bottom punch is then actuated by a second platform or by pushing on the press base in the case of the Hollywood senior press. The Core seater die and the point form die are both 7/8 by 14 thread dies that screw into the normal die position on the top of the press.
I dug down to one of my scales last night and tossed this bullet on it. It came out to 71.6 grains. I need to get my hands on some 22 mag brass and see what can be done with that.
"let's go. He ain't hittin' nothin'.".... "You IDIOT, he's hit everything he's aimed at!"
Do you just have the RN nose punch or are other styles an option?
I scrounged for years looking for some of the old Speer and Hornady 60 gr Spire point bullets for my 256 Winchesters. Any chance you could reform the 60 gr. Hornady Flat point into a more areodynamic shape? Pushing the 87 gr. Remington FP into spitzers would be heavenly for my 256 Maximum.
John
I only have the one die in 25 cal but I m certain you can have a die made in any configuration you want.
"let's go. He ain't hittin' nothin'.".... "You IDIOT, he's hit everything he's aimed at!"
Looks perty goot.Did you swage off the rim? looks to me you didnt. We are making 6mm FLGC and we are swaging off the rim. acualy we are just useing 22 jackets, and saeting a 6mm core in to them and swaging up to diameter.
Tony
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Having a 250 savage I have always wondered if this would work. The 22 mag idea has me really thinking . time to dig up a 22mag shell from my collection and do some measuring.
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Thor:
seems as if 99% of the .22mag stuff on my range lately
is 17 HMR's instead of .22mags.
Do you have a pin to open these 17's up? IF so, I could send
some of them easy enough.
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BP | Bronze Point | IMR | Improved Military Rifle | PTD | Pointed |
BR | Bench Rest | M | Magnum | RN | Round Nose |
BT | Boat Tail | PL | Power-Lokt | SP | Soft Point |
C | Compressed Charge | PR | Primer | SPCL | Soft Point "Core-Lokt" |
HP | Hollow Point | PSPCL | Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" | C.O.L. | Cartridge Overall Length |
PSP | Pointed Soft Point | Spz | Spitzer Point | SBT | Spitzer Boat Tail |
LRN | Lead Round Nose | LWC | Lead Wad Cutter | LSWC | Lead Semi Wad Cutter |
GC | Gas Check |