my wife wants to drive from indianapolis to muskogee oklahoma.
she wants to take her carry gun with her ( .380 sig p238 )
she has a lifetime permit to carry in indianapolis , and she will be driving thru western indiana, straight thru illinois, thru missouri into oklahoma to highway 69 then south to muskogee.
if she is stopped in illinois does she have to declare to the police that she is carrying?
same for missouri and oklahoma?
i just don't want her to get into trouble .
whats the protocol?
I would case it and store it in the trunk unloaded until you are at your finial destination.
Political correctness is a national suicide pact.
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only to God and my own conscience.
Research the firearm laws of every state she will travel through. They might not have reciprocal laws and if they don't, your wife might be committing a felony. In my opinion, it is always best to let a LEO know you're armed if you're stopped. It's common courtesy because they don't know if you are a model citizen or a career criminal.
Last edited by FLHTC; 11-05-2014 at 01:31 PM.
She needs to put it in her trunk when she is driving thru illinois
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/travel/
I travel to Fla from SC once or twice a year.
It is against the law for me to carry in GA.
So I don't make any stops in GA unless I have too.
My thoughts is that if you are in route and its safe for you to carry at the starting point and the ending point then just carry in the middle.
Don't like being hammered by the Cast Boolits Staff, then don't be a nail.
The rules are simple to follow.
Don't drive through Illinois. She should be carrying if she can help it.
Indianapolis -> St Louis -> Muskogee = 9.5 hours
Indianapolis -> Nashville -> Muskogee = 12.5 hours
As sad as it is, the extra 3 hours is worth carrying.
Last edited by Forgetful; 11-05-2014 at 11:54 AM.
Ok.. this would be my plan.
Gas up the car when I left home. Do the speed limit maybe 5mph over.
Fill up in St Louis.
Its a straight shot down I-70 and its under 250 miles.
Even my Jeep Wrangler that gets 16 mpg can make that distance in one fillup
Don't like being hammered by the Cast Boolits Staff, then don't be a nail.
The rules are simple to follow.
I use this map to plan my trips accordingly. I would suggest she stop before entering IL, unload and store the gun in a locked case in the trunk while traveling through the state and then resume carrying as soon as she crosses the state line.
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_ca...city_maps.html
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I have driven coast to coast 6 times and Maine to Florida and Maine to Louisiana even more times along with other long trips and never carried a weapon and never felt like I wished I did. Often had guns in locked gun cases in the car. In my mind three extra hours on the road is a much greater risk than the risk from not being armed. I find a 12.5 hour drive approaching the limit of a reasonable days drive. I have driven more in a day but had to take a nap along the way, 9.5 hours is a piece of cake. As far as concern about being stopped and searched, I expect that is unlikely but why carry where you do not have a permit?Originally Posted by Forgetful
Tim
Words are weapons sharper than knives - INXS
The pen is mightier than the sword - Edward Bulwer-Lytton
The tongue is mightier than the blade - Euripides
smells like freedom, don't it?
Again, I'd avoid IL because the criminals voted D again, and they're the only ones 'allowed' to carry. I agree not the whole region is the same as places like Gary, but it's not worth the risk traveling through a D state.
Last edited by Forgetful; 11-05-2014 at 12:40 PM.
Please check out Handgunlaw.us for the latest information.
Illinois allows keeping a loaded handgun in a vehicle only, for those that have permits from another state (actually those that can carry a loaded firearm in public in their home state).
Also for transporting IL does not require the gun to be in a trunk, or even separated from ammo, just that the gun is unloaded and in a container (and does not spell out what a container is)
Go to the above link, print out the info for all the states she will be traveling through and do your own research, there is so much mis information available on the web, especially as laws change all the time.
Now the issue is that the mis information is not limited to the web, it will be with Law Enforcement also, we are having that issue with our new CCW law here (although not as much as I expected).
Even the IL state police cannot get it right, last I saw they stated a non resident needed a permit from their home state to keep a loaded handgun in their vehicle, although the law states only that they need to be able to carry a loaded handgun in public in their home state.
So a person from a state with non-permitted open carry of handguns can keep a loaded handgun in their vehicle according to the law, but not the state police (again as of last I saw, they may have changed their stance by now).
Duty to inform is only upon request of an officer (they have to ask) in IL, but we just had a story of a traffic stop where the officer told the driver that he needed to tell the officer right away he had a permit (driver was not even carrying at the time). The officer was nice about it, but still mis-informed.
Matt
Remember what happened to the last woman who informed the officer she was carrying?
Yep, as long as you don't get out of the car in ILL. you can have it loaded if you have a permit. Do it all the time. I live right on the border and go there all the time.
It is currently legal to have you carry gun on your person while INSIDE your car in Illinois
if you have an out of state CCW. You are also legal to unload the gun in the car and carry
it immediately to the trunk and put it in a locked case when you need to go to the restroom
or similar. I believe that in the glove box or other places loaded seems to be still illegal,
not 100% clear on this detail and you are definitely not legal loaded outside the car. This just
changed with their new CCW law, some of the advice given is outdated. They specifically
permit you to be moving from the passenger area to the trunk with the unloaded gun to
make sure nobody is nailed while trying to put a gun away.
The other states likely honor the CCW permit, but you need to look up each state. Most reliable
source is either the State Attny General's web site or State Police/State Patrol web site, but
there are several easy to use sites that I have checked and never found to be wrong, for example:
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_ca...city_maps.html
I know for certain that Missouri recognizes all other state's CCW licenses, as does
Kansas, but review the other states. Neither MO or KS requires you to inform the
officer, but MUST show permit and respond accurately if asked by the officer. Both
hands on the wheel at the top at all times until the officer specifically tells you
what is OK. Ask if you can reach for your wallet or purse for ID, and wait for
clear instructions before the hands move an inch. I was an passenger in a stop
like this, and things went smoothly.
Verify the Illinois with Bad Water Bill, but I am 99.999% certain you are good in
Illinois while inside the car with a valid home state CCW license, researched it for
my own purposes as I travel thru southern Ill sometimes.
Please remind your wife that she needs to be in condition yellow at all times when
traveling and armed. IMO, she is most likely to be in need of personal security when
on the road in strange places, so being armed - especially an unaccompanied female -
is a very good move.
Bill
Last edited by MtGun44; 11-05-2014 at 01:22 PM.
If it was easy, anybody could do it.
Well as much as I sympathize with her, and despise NJ gun laws, she did inform the officer she was committing a crime in that state (if we are talking about that unfortunate mother arrested in NJ).
Informing you are carrying legally should be a different ball game.
Had she read up on Handgunlaw.us (or elsewhere) and been informed of the law, things could have been different.
I may not like NJ law, but I will try to follow it.
That is why when I was working there for months at a time, I never even thought of bringing my guns up there.
If I had had time to shoot, it would have been rental guns at a range.
Matt
For a woman, the limiting factor is not her car's fuel range, but rather her bladder capacity range.
For the most part, I have found these days that as long as you don't do anything to draw attention to yourself, you don't need to worry about being harassed by the cops. Of course, this also means that you should not act nervous as if you have something to hide if you are pulled over. I suspect that there have been a few places that I have driven through over the years that did not recognize the CHL that I had at that time. Of course, if I was going some place like NYC, I would carry something considerably more concealed than I would if going to Florida.
No what?
The only exemption for out of staters is carrying a loaded gun in the car.
They do not qualify for the taking an unloaded gun outside of a vehicle exemption, that is reserved for FCCA (IL Firearms Concealed Carry Act) holders, just like every other portion of the law.
All out of staters get is that one exemption, loaded handgun in the vehicle, if they can carry a loaded handgun in public in their own state.
The vehicle to trunk is a silly exemption any way, an artifact from the original NRA/Phelps bill that would have allowed moving a loaded handgun into the trunk for storage. When our 'honorable' speaker of the house, Mike Madigan got a hold of the bill, it was changed to 'unloaded handgun'.
So you have to unload the handgun in the vehicle, reholster, move to the trunk and then place in the truck.
If you are going to unload it in the car, you might as well just put it in a case/container (remember container is not defined in our law, just about anything goes) and then take it to the trunk, no silly exemption needed.
And actually it is worded 'firearm' where firearm for the purpose of the FCCA is defined as a handgun.
It really is a confusing mess.
Glove box and Console are specifically called out in the law as acceptable containers, for transporting handgun.
The pertinent sections of the law are included in the handgunlaw.us Illinois page, including out of state loaded handguns in a vehicle and containers.
The handgunlaw.us handout is actually what I use in class to teach from, a nice concise guide to IL law (as concise as can be for such a bloated piece of legislation).
While I may get a few things wrong on the law (hopefully not), I am an IL CCW Instructor and have spent way too much of my life trying to follow all of this.
If you wish for more information/opinions please check out-
http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/
Matt
If she has a job or retired from a job covered under LEOSA...she may have the right to carry. LEOSA gives broad rights to carry in many areas in any state that even CCW licensed residents cannot carry in their own state.
Far too many people think that way and many end up in prison simply because they opened their mouth and tried to prove to some random LEO that they are a model citizen who files a W-2 on their babysitter and never drank in high school. Tell them what you are legally required to and not one word more, even if you think you know every last state law and can't be touched your perfect knowledge of state laws won't protect you from obscure federal/local laws or ignorant/abusive deputies.
Anyway 99.9% of the danger is from traffic accidents so choose the shortest/safest route and drive safely without excessive fatigue or distractions.
That was my point. ↑
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