Cap & ball self defence

[Mik]

I didn't say anything about cowboy shooting. Quick draw is something different. There is a bit of over lap. The guy who taught me, had beat this guy in competition back in the day.

That's impressive for sure. But even that guy admits the discipline has nothing to do with gun-fighting. Its based on movies. That said, I wouldn't want to get in a duel with him.

There is another video of him on YouTube (its a history channel thing) that shows his draw in ultra slow motion. He cocks the hammer and places his finger on the trigger while its still in the holster . I suppose, with the right holster, you could disengage the safety on a 1911 while still in the holster as well.

Very interesting video waksupi, I'm curious about what he could do with an automatic handgun.

[Mustangpalmer1911]

My I knew I was a odd fellow, but not this much.

Fly

If only they knew fly ....if only they knew! HAHAH

M&P shield and 1862 Pocket Police in the head board, 870 HD shotty on the wall next to the bed, one of my 58 remmys on he display wall, and one of my 73 45lcs usaly in the key baket on the counter. A bit of it all. I shoot good with all of them and would use which ever one I grabed if someone broke in and threatend my family. I consider the 870 as the go to though. Wife also has a Rugar mark II in here side heaed board.

[Texantothecore]

I suspect that a 44 tricked out with 209 primers would be quite adequate for defense. From what I have read there are very few ftfs.

It might be a spare cylinder which would replace the normal cylinder when you put it away after a day of shooting.

[Hellgate]

Watch a few actual shootouts (convenience or jewelry store robberies) recorded and posted on YouTube and you will appreciate how rapidly & chaotically things go down. I would not want to be thumbing a single action of any kind while the perp is POPOPOPOPOPOPOPOPOPing at me with a 12-17 round 9mm. C&B is a last resort only. Otherwise you are having a fantasy that could cost you your or your family's life.

[doc1876]

Mik, actually Bob passed a couple of years ago, so you do not have to worry about getting in a gun fight with him. Now as to the 2nd part, the single action is the fastest shooting firearm in the world, for the first 3 shots. again the trick to any shooting is hitting what you are supposed to be aiming at, which we all know, so that being said, the single action is under control. While I am not experienced with an auto, I am told the idea of making it hitting what you want, is a real feat. I have seen Munden and others switch from single actions to 1911s, and it takes some effort, as the angle is just enough different that you have to really concentrate to make these kind of shots.
If you are ever in the St. Louis area, get with me, and I will introduce you to the guys that shoot better than Munden. One is in his 70s, and I can't shoot anywhere near his league.

[Fly]

(Shoot better than Munden)???????.Sorry not saying your wrong, but I would like to see that.

Fly

[doc1876]

I know it is difficult to believe, but when these guys were younger, Munden would not shoot against them. Together they hold more titles than I can even remember. several WFDA Fastest in the world, several states, COWS fastest, I can't even begin to list the records. Bob Argonbright and Ron Bright have been shooting since the 50s, and were personal friends of Mundens. I am just saying, that they are still available for live demos if you are in the area, or let me know where you live, and when one or both go to a shoot near you, I can let you know. They are great to just listen to. (btw, they will not say a bad thing against Munden, just admit they outshot him)

[waksupi]

I know it is difficult to believe, but when these guys were younger, Munden would not shoot against them. Together they hold more titles than I can even remember. several WFDA Fastest in the world, several states, COWS fastest, I can't even begin to list the records. Bob Argonbright and Ron Bright have been shooting since the 50s, and were personal friends of Mundens. I am just saying, that they are still available for live demos if you are in the area, or let me know where you live, and when one or both go to a shoot near you, I can let you know. They are great to just listen to. (btw, they will not say a bad thing against Munden, just admit they outshot him)

Sounds like my late friend Jack. Munden would hardly acknowledge him when they ran into each other a few years back.

[Mik]

Thanks for the offer doc. I'd love to see that live.

[FLHTC]

Mik, actually Bob passed a couple of years ago, so you do not have to worry about getting in a gun fight with him. Now as to the 2nd part, the single action is the fastest shooting firearm in the world, for the first 3 shots. again the trick to any shooting is hitting what you are supposed to be aiming at, which we all know, so that being said, the single action is under control. While I am not experienced with an auto, I am told the idea of making it hitting what you want, is a real feat. I have seen Munden and others switch from single actions to 1911s, and it takes some effort, as the angle is just enough different that you have to really concentrate to make these kind of shots.
If you are ever in the St. Louis area, get with me, and I will introduce you to the guys that shoot better than Munden. One is in his 70s, and I can't shoot anywhere near his league.

I think you actually believe that.
I thought this was a discussion about cap and ball revolvers being used in self defense against home invasion? How does a home owner acquire these trick revolver skills to prepare for a home invasion? If there are three guys breaking into your house from different points, are six shots really going to be better than 15? If you are not experienced with an AUTO, perhaps you should listen to those who are. They do not make hitting your target difficult, they are not slow and cumbersome and whoever told you that hitting a target with a semi-automatic handgun is a real feat, has no idea what they're talking about. You might be a revolver purest but that doesn't detract from the performance of a semi-automatic handgun at all.

[doc1876]

sorry for the hijack,I keep a 1911 near all times for just that reason, and so do Bob and Ron. Just saying that as good as you are with any kind of a 6 gun, an auto is the way to go in the night when it is confusing.

[swathdiver]

I would say the gun you're most familiar with is best.

[FLHTC]

I would say the gun you're most familiar with is best.

you go right ahead and keep thinking that

[Mik]

I feel like we sometimes have a tendency to pick the guns we like (for whatever reason) and try to convince ourselves they are well suited for the job at hand. I'm guilty of this, we all are.

I love lever action rifles. I so badly want to use them in a self defense role. But they just won't ever be more effective than an ar-15 with multiple 30 round magazines, a light, and an eotech on top.

Lever actions are cooler and better made than modern ar's, but they offer less of everything you need in a gunfight.

I see c&b's the same way.

[FLHTC]

I feel like we sometimes have a tendency to pick the guns we like (for whatever reason) and try to convince ourselves they are well suited for the job at hand. I'm guilty of this, we all are.

I love lever action rifles. I so badly want to use them in a self defense role. But they just won't ever be more effective than an ar-15 with multiple 30 round magazines, a light, and an eotech on top.

Lever actions are cooler and better made than modern ar's, but they offer less of everything you need in a gunfight.

I see c&b's the same way.

Where do you want the flowers sent?

[swathdiver]

I see these guys at the range with their new black rifles with 12lbs of accessories on them, brass everywhere and nary a hole in the black at 25 yards.

I can fill the black with 6 holes at 50 feet on a B-2 and am working on getting all six into the black on the B-16 and B-12 at their respective ranges. When I was younger, had better eyesight and wealthier, I'd shoot 3x5 cards 250x every week or so for years on end from my G23, mostly from 7 yards. There's no comparison, the sixgun is much better.

[Geraldo]

I can fill the black with 6 holes at 50 feet on a B-2

You're all set then.

[Mik]

Where do you want the flowers sent?

I don't get it. You feel the same way?

[Mik]

I see these guys at the range with their new black rifles with 12lbs of accessories on them, brass everywhere and nary a hole in the black at 25 yards.

I can fill the black with 6 holes at 50 feet on a B-2 and am working on getting all six into the black on the B-16 and B-12 at their respective ranges. When I was younger, had better eyesight and wealthier, I'd shoot 3x5 cards 250x every week or so for years on end from my G23, mostly from 7 yards. There's no comparison, the sixgun is much better.

Well no skill is no skill no matter what you are using. And I have no doubt you'll shoot tighter groups with a single action wheel gun than with a DAO plastic pistol. But, but...I challenge you to find someone who has been in a gunfight who, if forced to do it all over again, would choose a cap and ball revolver.

[swathdiver]

You might win that one Mik! But I'll ask my buddy who got into a gunfight with some bank robbers recently after I take him to the range and make some black powder smoke. He'll probably stick with his Grock, he's been carrying them on duty for near 25 years.