Hey, .357 maximum, lubes

[44man]

One can shoot with snowshoes on...... Quite well in fact!

Eutectic

Keeps me from tipping over anyway!

[Eutectic]

I'd a lot rather be in snow trying to hunt/shoot than the mud those boys are talking about! Hunting ducks when I was a kid upended me more they once with those old 3" paper Magnums. Funny what happens when your feet are stuck in the mud.

My 85 yard target frame sees sun most the day and is MUDDY! My trail to it is still snow. I love the sound of those hollow points going "WHOP" in that gooey backstop though!

Eutectic

[357maximum]

I'd a lot rather be in snow trying to hunt/shoot than the mud those boys are talking about! Hunting ducks when I was a kid upended me more they once with those old 3" paper Magnums. Funny what happens when your feet are stuck in the mud.

My 85 yard target frame sees sun most the day and is MUDDY! My trail to it is still snow. I love the sound of those hollow points going "WHOP" in that gooey backstop though!

Eutectic

You ever shot skunk cabbages that are just starting to grow?....big fun....them things just "explode" when hit with any good boolit/bullet.

I got some BRP362-300 HP's all loaded up over a stiff dose of AA2015 for the 45/70....just waiting for warmer weather and I will start "leveling" mole hills on my range while they are still wet....shot a couple last night that were sticking above the snow...the results were quite entertaining, but them mounds done froze last night....gonna have to be patient to get the rest of em.

[Marlin Junky]

I made some MML last night but with red racing grease and I still have a headache... I'm going to try the more environmentally friendly Satan's lube but I'm going to rename it... sorry devil worshiper. Perhaps I'll go with 777 in honor of the fallen Boeing aircraft.

Mike, have you been able to locate old time Vaseline at health food/hippie stores in your area?

MJ

BTW, how does the consistency of 666+1oz ; i.e., flex, tack and slip (for lack of a better word) compare to MML-Red?

[geargnasher]

If you used "red racing grease" you didn't make MML.

Gear

[Marlin Junky]

If you used "red racing grease" you didn't make MML.

Gear

Red racing grease is my vernacular for red-lithium-complex grease that Wall Mart handes opposed to Red 'N Tacky.

MJ

[357maximum]

Don


dON........Read Gears words.......he is 100% correct....ALTHOUGH ....he cannot follow a recipe either

.....I have made Ben's Red and I have made MML I have also made a few variations of both, but I have never hybridized them in that exact same manner. I quit using the red racing grease a long time back because I did not like the smell and the headspins you speak of, and I am not going to make my lubes outside just to not get brain palpetations, even though Ben's Red is a pretty good lube....I cannot answer your MML-Red question comparing it to Satan's lube. Satan's lube is slightly softer than MML ...if...and this part is important...IF BOTH THE RECIPES ARE FOLLOWED TO THE TEE.

[geargnasher]

True, I am a hypocrite . I did rectify that a couple of weeks ago with a to-the-letter Satan's Lube batch, though. I'm planning some lube tests this summer when I go hitchhiking on hell's chariot. Ben's Red, Speed Green, and a few others well be tested.

Gear

[Marlin Junky]

Thanks Mike... yeah, that's right, the MML made with red grease is a legend in my own mind... your MML-Red is made with the caramel colored 350F drop point stuff, added soap and some red dye.

Nevertheless what do you think about this stuff (it's made in L.A and looks to be available within my sphere of mobility.... areeba!):

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Three-Flow...ype=15&veh=aff

I thought I'd try some just because it's not white.

MJ

P.S. In my mind, anything made with lithium grease, paraffin and beeswax is MML... there ya go, I've already forgotten all about your exotic microcrystalline foo-foo wax which is only available in the upper mid-west.

[357maximum]

True, I am a hypocrite . I did rectify that a couple of weeks ago with a to-the-letter Satan's Lube batch, though. Gear

I have always been told that if you have "an issue" but you recognize you have "an issue" it is not really an "issue"

I was once told by a bull dyke libtard English teacher in high school that I was "both ignorant and apethetic"...to which I replied "I do not know what that means and I simply do not care" .....I feel your pain Ian ....sometimes a feller just needs to do his "own thing". Lubes are personal, but do not confuse that with "personal lube"....way different entities.

[357maximum]

Don


My last couple a batches of 666+1 Satan's Lube have been made with cheap dollar store special white petrolatum. I have also made a few batches with the Trenton brown petro pipewrap, and some OLD yeller 1950's petroleum jelly I found in a repo,,,but ....performance wise I did not see much difference. I would (if I could find it cheap) like to try good ol military grade cosmoline, but I am not gonna pay premium for it as I am not sure it would make it "better". Apparently the Ivory fixes whatever is missing from the old vasoline of yore. Ian has delved waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay deeper into the makeup of our "ingredient" he might be able to explain that, maybe even in a way we could make sense of it...MAYBE.

[Marlin Junky]

Mike,

Oakie Doke... I'll try the Mexican version of Vaseline just 'cause it's brown.

Oh yeah, and my version of paraffin 'cause it's de-oiled and has a 160+ melt temp

I guess that means I can call it anything I want to without copyright infringement.

Later,
MJ

[44man]

I get a lot of enjoyment reading all this. Some want a nice color, seems I can't see it when loaded or at the target. Should we have multi colored fireworks?
Then special waxes and greases that are either way too costly or can't be found by normal humans.
Why can't you go to Wall Mart and come home with cheap stuff to make a lube?
Felix is tough enough but it is only the lanolin that is easy to find and pretty cheap.
So I have a request of 357max---HEY MIKE, I WANT CANDY STRIPE LUBE!

[Marlin Junky]

...Then special waxes and greases that are either way too costly or can't be found by normal humans.

Not sure the sarcasm is at my expense or not but I wish I add a dollar for every time I've posted this link:

http://www.peakcandle.com/products/H...E__PW2008.aspx

BTW, when is the last time you purchased beeswax from Wal-Mart? Believe me, I wish I could get everything I need in one place but that's not going to happen... check the link to the cheapo, hopefully less refined Mexican version of Vaseline I posted above (post #130).

MJ

[fecmech]

Mike--Made some Satans a couple days ago decreased by 1/3(2-2-2-1/3 oz ivory). Melted the vasoline, added the ivory and stirred till the ivory was all dissolved and liquid was clear. When I added the paraffin and it melted I had what looked like little ice crystals all through the mix. I kept it on the heat for quite a while stirring constantly and it was pretty hot and smoking pretty good but the crystals didn't go away. I pulled it off the heat and added the bwax anyway but it left a slightly lumpy mix from the crystals after it hardened. I then put it back on the heat and kept the temp below 225 deg and stirred the livin H**l out of it and while the crystals did not go away it got way smoother. I was whipping it like you scramble eggs for 3 or 4 minutes and it actually gelled a bit. Any ideas what happened here?? I will try it whenever I can dig myself out of our recent 12" of snow.

[Marlin Junky]

Probably should have added the soap to hot Vaseline/paraffin mixture. You can get paraffin very hot without scorching it. It sounds like the soap came out of solution when you added the solid paraffin. Two things you can do at this point: Run the heat up to about 300F in deference to the beeswax scorching or strain the lube at about 220F through a fine mesh screen such as panty hose or perhaps a tea strainer. Obviously, you'll end up with less soap in your lube using the latter method. You will eventually be able to get the soap back into solution given enough heat and stirring but you will end up with a brown colored lube.

MJ

[357maximum]

Marlin Junky summed it up well........It takes a certain amount of wax/oil while at temp to "eat" the soap or it will not go in correctly and not precipitate out at the not surface of the sun temps. When you wanna put soap into less mix you have to CRANK the heat....hence the reason I add the soap to the paraffin/vasoline mix....I do not have to CRANK anything that way. The soap really needs to be added to both the melted paraffin and the vasoline mix.....your temp fluctuation allowed some precipitate.

You cannot add 10 packets of hot chocolate powder to a cup of cold water.

Now that the beeswax is in the mix all you can do is provide gentle heat and time to hopefully fix it.

[357maximum]

I get a lot of enjoyment reading all this. Some want a nice color, seems I can't see it when loaded or at the target. Should we have multi colored fireworks?
Then special waxes and greases that are either way too costly or can't be found by normal humans.
Why can't you go to Wall Mart and come home with cheap stuff to make a lube?
Felix is tough enough but it is only the lanolin that is easy to find and pretty cheap.
So I have a request of 357max---HEY MIKE, I WANT CANDY STRIPE LUBE!

Very simple for YOU to do just that:
1. Buy a lubesizer
2. Make a batch of each color you want in your candy striper lube.
3. Fill the lubesizer with small pea sized balls of lube alternating colors as you fill.
4. Lube away...TA DAAA

Your wish is my command...now get after it

BTW...China must not sell beeswax as I have never seen it in Great Wal O' China Mart.

[head for the hills]

Jim

Glad you liked it...as much as you like FWFL...... I thought you just might.

MML does better in those guns/loads that require a bit more "friction" to help the "burn" such as my 15inch 357MAX...MML shines a bit better in THAT situation. Satan's Lube really shines in full velocity rifle loads. In my search to get rid of the "exotic" microwax I found pure and simple happiness...glad you like it too.



WAYNE ---here is the recipe for Satans Lube...basically the OLD PRE ALOX NRA FORMULA with some soap added, nothing ground breaking...does not need to be..... damn good boolit lube is simple when you remove the "tinker factor" and emotion from it.

Melt the vaseline and add the ivory soap flakes into it til fully dissolved, then add the paraffin, remove from heat and then add the beeswax last after the mix has cooled a bit to prevent the dreaded beeswax "scorch". You wanna do all this in a pot a bit bigger than you think you need...the soap makes stuff foam up a bit.

6oz vaseline
6oz paraffin
6oz beeswax
1 oz dried ivory flakes (foodprocessor) (you can double this if you live in a hot area or will be shooting in a hot area)

Mike--Made some Satans a couple days ago decreased by 1/3(2-2-2-1/3 oz ivory). Melted the vasoline, added the ivory and stirred till the ivory was all dissolved and liquid was clear. When I added the paraffin and it melted I had what looked like little ice crystals all through the mix. I kept it on the heat for quite a while stirring constantly and it was pretty hot and smoking pretty good but the crystals didn't go away. I pulled it off the heat and added the bwax anyway but it left a slightly lumpy mix from the crystals after it hardened. I then put it back on the heat and kept the temp below 225 deg and stirred the livin H**l out of it and while the crystals did not go away it got way smoother. I was whipping it like you scramble eggs for 3 or 4 minutes and it actually gelled a bit. Any ideas what happened here?? I will try it whenever I can dig myself out of our recent 12" of snow.

I and fecmech followed the instructions as given in post #5 of this thread with the same results. Specifically, we melted the vaseline and added the soap and heated until soap was melted completely and then added the paraffin. At that point apparently our soap precipitated. A remelt to 280* in my case did not remedy the chunks. This was my first home-made lube. I filled my new lube-a-matic with the lube and ran some bullets through and am planning on making some ammo with them this morning.
Number one: Anyone planning on making Satans Lube, don't make the mistake of not melting the vaseline and paraffin together first and then adding the soap.
Number two: Should I clear out my lube-a-sizer and make a new batch or should I try the lube I made where there was some partial soap precipitation.

Head for the hills.

[Elkins45]

Number two: Should I clear out my lube-a-sizer and make a new batch or should I try the lube I made where there was some partial soap precipitation.

You should absolutely try it. This formula is a pretty good general purpose lube even without the soap, and for your application you might not need the stiffness or heat resistance that the stearate provides.