2nd annual swaged bullet postal shoot! Everyone welocme!

[BT Sniper]

I know there are quite a few more of you out there this year making your own bullets. Let's have another fun competition!

(Moderators, if we could keep this thread here in the swaging forum, as it pertains to the swaged bullet shooting crowd, I will post a reference in the "our town" forum directing anyone interested here. Thanks)

I welcome everyone and anyone to participate. For those of you that do not swage your own yet or don't have a complete set of dies yet projectiles/bullets are available at no cost in one lot of 50 bullets. Joe Christensen has graciously donated 2 lots of 50 bullets and I will have several packs of bullets to donate soon.


Please let us all know the extent of this up coming years shoot with a simply reply stating you wish to participate. All entries will be allowed up to the date posted for the end of this shoot. You do not have to reply with a "count me in" but it will be fun to know how many we have completing. You can still participate even after the start date has passed so long as you submit your target postmarked on or before last day of shoot.

Start date: January 1st 2014

End date: March 31th 2014

These dates should give you all plenty of opportunity for tuning a good load, making some bullets or holding out for a good weather weekend.

Simple rules here, anything goes so long as the bullet you are shooting is made from 22lr, 22mag or 17 HMR brass.

Scoring will be simple. We are all grouped into the same category, doesn't matter if your shooting a $10K bench gun or $300 wallmart special. We will shoot two 5 shot groups on the target posted below. Both groups will be graded for score and group size. Perfect "score" would be 100 (2 groups of 5 shots each all in the 10 ring). Tie breaker would be the number of "X" rings (the smallest center circle) hit. "Group" score should be pretty self-explanatory, total the group size in inches of both targets combined. Two .25" groups would equal a total group score of .500" simple!

Only one piece of target paper will be submitted for scoring so both your groups must be on the same piece of paper. Targets will be sent to my PO address and must be post marked on or before the last day of shoot. I will post pics of all targets submitted and results for the match. Shooters are encouraged to include as much data as possible regarding the bullets and loads used, example... powder brand, grains, bullet weight, gun, barrel length, twist, fps, scope weather conditions, manufacture of die set, etc. Shooters are also encouraged to post pictures of their progress with target pics.

Remember this is all for fun and seeing just what can be done with home made bullets made from scrap brass. The more pics and info we can gather here the more interesting, exciting and helpful it will be to all of us making our own bullets now or will be in the future!

Simple prizes will be awarded to best groups/scores. A drawing will be held for more substantial items. I'll donate one of my one step dies (40 or 44 caliber winners choice) or $225 "store credit" towards any of my products, to be given away to winner of random drawing, same as last year.

I still have a few of the donated items left over from the last shoot and will be looking for any additional donations for this years shoot. Please post if you have anything you wish to donate for prizes.


Here are the rules of the shoot.

In short this is a compition for any caliber bullet made from 22lr, 22mag or 17HMR cases for jackets using any set of dies.


RULES AND DETAILS

Distance = 100yrds

Caliber = your choice

Fire arm = anything goes, bolt action, varmint/target rigs, hunting riffle, pistol, semi auto, scoped, open sights, All will be clasified into same catigory.

Rests = Sure! The only thing we are grading is the target, feel free to shoot off hand if that is what you shoot best.

Bullet/projectile = has to be swaged using 22lr/22mag/17hmr cases for jackets. Jackets can be trimmed. Any weight or style bullet is good to go. No commercial jackets or bullets or bullets made from jackets drawn from copper strip or cups. . Can be bullets you made or made by others. Can be made from any set of dies you wish. For those that do not swage bullets yet, simply post your interest here and we will figure out how to get you some bullets to load. Swagers are not allowed to profit from this fun shoot by attempting to sell bullets they made unless they have legal FFL-06 licence. Shooters are responsable for the safty of the loaded round. No liability should fall on the swager that made the projectiles.

Loaded ammo = Obviously has to be reloaded and not necessarily by the shooter. No factory ammo.

Eligibility = anyone can send in target. Encourage relitives, spose, friends, the more the better.

Target =You can simply print the target pictured below from the following link. The target is located about half way down the page. Make sure you are using the same target as pictured below with 2 targets on same page!http://www.accurateshooter.com/shooting-skills/targets/

Consider the .5" target the X ring and the 1" circle the 10 ring and so on.



I will have a transparent overlay of the outer rings that are covered by the bold square so accurate scoring can be determined.


Let me know if you guys have any questions or concerns. You all have 3 months to turn in a target. Might sound like a long time but I remember the last shoot went by pretty quickly. Please let us all know if you wish to participate and pass on the invite to anyone you might think would like to participate. I'll be turning in a target for certain yet I'll consider myself ineligible for the awards.

Good shooting and swage on!

Brian

[BT Sniper]

This will give you an idea of scoring for these targets. I simply imposed the X and numbers to the target on the left. The target on the right is how it appears after printing from the site. You can pencil the X and numbers into your target if you wish.

If a bullet "breaks" the line of the target the higher score is awarded.

One more thing NO SIGHTERS all holes in paper will be scored. There should be no more then ten bullet holes in the entire piece of paper! There should be no less then 10 holes (obviously small groups have the potential of putting bullets threw same hole, this will be obvious in the small nature of the size of the group) unless you wish to submit a target in which you had one bullet miss target all together (a target submitted with less then 10 holes, an obvious miss, will add 11" to your total group size per missed shot. That brings up an interesting potential..... if a bullet comes apart before reaching the target..... So long as there is no evidence of "shrapnel" hitting the target go ahead and shoot again. No one will know anyways, but if you have small shrapnel holes in your target from a bullet blowing up before it reaches the target then your target is void! This is a pretty far stretch of odds here but I have seen it happen where a bullet comes apart before reaching the target and it "peppers" the target with very small holes. This should challenge the shooter to fine tune his loads to prevent bullets from coming apart before they reach the target.

[BT Sniper]

LIST OF SHOOTERS

Those that have posted with an "I'm in" and those that I think might be interested. Last year we had 10 shooters take part. I know there are a lot more of you this year making these bullets. I hope we can get a few more of you to send in targets for us this year.

Confirmed!

0. Myself, I'll post plenty of targets but be ineligible for prizes
1. Lizard 333
2. MOcaster
3. nhrifle
4. Joe
5. kweidner
6. clodhopper
7. Gunnut 45/454
8. Nickle
9. OC (local friend of mine)
10. dagunnut
11. Bill Weddle (in need of some bullets) Contact member "Joe Christensen" for a 50 pack of bullets
12. newcastter
13. squirrel hollow
14. anotherred (in need of bullets) Contact member "Joe Christensen" for a 50 pack of bullets
15. ronaldod
16. plus1hdcp
17. Supe47
18. Flamethrower (in need of bullets) Contact member "NHRifle" for a 50 pack of bullets
19. Monmouth (bullets received)
20. IllinoisCoyoteHunter
21. Hickory
22. bullet maker 57
23. FWest
24. JonB_in_Glencoe
25. ButterNutZ (bullets received)
26. Cag40Navy (in need of bullets) Contact member "bullet maker 57" for a 50 pack of bullets
27. Buggybuilder (in need of bullets) Contact member "bullet maker 57" for a 50 pack of bullets
28. TBird1960
29. Djones (in need of bullets) Contact member "mustang" for one 50 count bag of bullets
30. scootshop
31. muddy
32. algunjunkie
33. Sitzme

Bullet contributors

Shooters that do not make their own should receive one pack of 50 bullets. If they wish to contribute to shipping...that's OK, if they wish to send the maker a few pieces of brass in trade ..... OK, but no money for bullets. It is strictly the generosity of the bullet maker that wishes to contribute a few bullets to shooters and bragging right should that shooter do well with the bullets offered.

Joe Christensen (2 boxes of 50) Thank you!
Myself (as many as needed)
NHRifle (1 box of 50) Thank You!
Bulletmaker 57 (2 boxes of 50) Thank You!
Mustang (1 box of 50) Thank You!



Donated prize list!

top place finishers will get their choice of offered products below

#1- small flat rate box of clean 22lr brass. I'll donate

#2- small Flat Rate Box (SFRB) of processed ready to load 223rem brass. I'll donate

#3- 5 stick lot of TAC#1 bullet lube stick donated by Randyrat, Thank You! left over from last years shoot.

#4- small flat rate box of new brass. Many calibers to choose from. Thank you Nickel.

#5- 1 unopened box of Hornady .224" 35gr V-Max bullets. 100ct. Thank you Flamethrower

#6- 50 repackaged .224" 90gr Sierra Match Kings. Thank you Flamethrower

#7- 50 bullets or jacket in any caliber he makes. Thank you Bullet Maker 57

#8- 2 boxes of bullets of shooters choice. Thank you IllinoisCoyoteHunter

#9- SFRB of 223 brass and SFRB of lead ingots. Thank you Vendor Sponsor TheCaptain (great place for all your lead and brass needs!) http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...Buyer-s-Choice

#10- Medium flat rate box of 22lr brass! Thank you Vendor Sponsor ALFloyd (Lead wire, 22 lr brass, swage dies and many more useful swaging tools) http://castboolits.gunloads.com/foru...-Floyd-Swaging

#11- 2,000 aluminum gas checks. Thank you vendor sponsor 338RumUltraMag. (Gas checks and brass cleaning service ONLY 60 CENTS/ LB! http://castboolits.gunloads.com/foru...luminum-Checks

#12-custom roller handle for reloading press of your choice form those he has to offer. Thank you Vendor Sponsor Redneck Machining (kyle623) http://castboolits.gunloads.com/foru...ning-(Kyle623)

#13 300 pack of hand cast Keith bullets your choice of, 41, 44 or 45. Thank you Vendor Sponsor Dry Creek Bullet Works! http://castboolits.gunloads.com/foru...k-Bullet-Works

#14 stick lube or a bottle of 45-45-10 or something similar. I need to contact for details. Thank you Vendor Sponsor LAR45 http://castboolits.gunloads.com/foru....php?120-Lar45

#15 Five "Bin Barriers, http://inlinefabrication.com/collect...s/bin-barriers . Thank You Vendor Sponsor "1in9twist" http://castboolits.gunloads.com/foru...ne-Fabrication

Looking for others that might wish to donate a simple price to the list. Simply post in this thread or PM me and I'll add it to the list.

Winner of each category will be given opportunity to choose prize from list of those available posted below. Top shooter will chose first and so on down the list. Order will be as follows

-1st place total group size
-1st place total score
-2nd place total group size
-2nd place total score

and so on! Figure pay out as many finishers as possible for the prizes donated. If one shooter should place both group and score that shooter will choose only one prize instead of two.

If there are more prizes then entries, prizes will carry over to next months postal shoot.

Winners will get to choose their prize from those listed below.




Drawing

We now have three substantial prizes for the drawing. This means three lucky competitors will win one of these great prizes no matter their results of the shoot!

All that send in a target are eligible for the drawing.

First chosen winner of drawing gets choice between my die set (or store credit) and this new prize. Second winner of the drawing will get whichever one is left.

Our local vendor sponsor "BetterNutZ" of CompeteCast inc. has offered one of his very cool looking digital lead pot temperature controllers. This is a $185 value! Wish I was eligible for this one.

Check it out!

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...ure-controller









Our local vendor "1in9twist" of Inline Fabrication inc. has donated a cool "ultra mount" available to fit several different presses. http://inlinefabrication.com/collections/ultramounts Check his site for many more very cool products!





BTSniper improved CH40 cal one step die or $225 "BTSniper store credit" donated by myself to be auctioned off in a drawing to all that send in a target.

[Lizard333]

Put me on the list. So, basically same rules as last year, only no closet to center target.

[MOcaster]

I'm in!

[nhrifle]

I'll be sending a target.

[BT Sniper]

Put me on the list. So, basically same rules as last year, only no closet to center target.

Yes but we added the "score" to this years shoot. Both targets will be judged for smallest group and best score. Perfect score is 100 and I bet we get some combined groups approaching under 1". Different target this year too.

BT

[Utah Shooter]

I would like to pre donate 2 lots of 50 ea. to someone that does not have the dies capable of making projectiles. It will take me til the new year to make them but I will get around to them.

[BT Sniper]

Way to step up Joe! Thanks! Certainly if there is anyone wishing to participate but doesn't have any of these bullets simply make a post here and I'm sure one of us will be able to take care of you.

BT

[kweidner]

I'm in too. annealing jackets now!

[clodhopper]

I'm in too. Did a little testing today and was able to make a group under two minutes.
Not to bad for starting with a clean barrel, no fouling shot, and ten rounds each with a different charge of powder.
Had to slow it down.

[Gunnut 45/454]

Well heck your going to force me to use the Savage with those small targets! Or I'm going have stick the 12x on the PSA! The 4x on the 1:9" will not cut it!

[Nickle]

I'm in.

I feel my rifles give me an unfair advantage, so I won't be in for any prizes. Bragging rights alone is good enough for me.

That keeps it fair for the rest of you.

And, Gunnut, you'll want that Savage.

Here's some of the better rifles in the stable.

[Utah Shooter]

Nickle, just shoot your best rifle. If you take top honors take the prize as well. I think that you may just be underestimating some of the bullets makers here.

If you feel so bad about taking a prize please feel free to put up a donation yourself.

[Nickle]

Joe, it isn't an issue of bullet making. Hell, I KNOW some of them are better than me.

Few come up to my experience making ammo, but heck, most people didn't know that.

Am I THAT good? No, I don't think so. But, I am for sure better than average. Don't believe me. Others know this. I'm not bragging, no sir. But, I do know what my experience is. And, I do know what the rifles I have are capable of.

And, Joe, you just might be underestimating me.

Trying to shame me doesn't work either. Takes a big ego to get goaded into it. I don't have a big ego.

Putting up a donation is fair, though. I'm retired, but I think I can afford something. What would be good? New brass?

[BT Sniper]

One of the reasons I host these shoots is for us to show others the potential of these home made bullets we make from scrap 22lr brass. There are many shooters out there skeptical of the potential accuracy that can be obtained from our "scrap" bullets. I wish to show them that these bullets we make from 22lr brass is every bit as capable of the accuracy they are used to seeing from commercial bullets.

I say bring on your best rigs. Doesn't matter the cost high or low, doesn't matter the shooter's reputation, doesn't matter previous shooting matches won or lost, I want to show everyone that these bullets are capable of some very good accuracy and for the person capable of shooting these bullets under .5 MOA and approaching .25 or better I say you have made some darn good bullets from this "scrap brass." I'm sure everyone will be more then happy to see that person take home a simple prize.

Prizes for winners are simple. Last year we had Small flat rate boxes of 22lr brass offered, $25, small flat rate box of 223 brass, small box of lead, etc. simple stuff kept under or around $25 in value I guess.


I'll post an offered prize list on the third post of this thread as well as a list of those interested.

In my opinion I feel we are testing these bullets just as much if not more then the gun or shooter. We had two groups posted last year that went .5 or less. I welcome all shooters be it small or large groups, I would love to see two 5 shot groups both under .5 or approaching .25.

I don't have any "benchrest" guns but I am putting a 223rem together on a savage action with a Pac-nor 3 groove I have yet to try out. Should be about 18-20lbs when I get her all together. I feel my stock Savage model 12 is capable of great groups if I do my part. Even got a 6mmBR with a Shilen barrel on it that I have some bullets loaded up made from 17 HMR brass. Should be plenty of competition yet still have a lot of fun. I say bring on the small groups, show everyone what these bullets can do or just have fun shooting and post some targets for us all to enjoy.

Good shooting and swage on!

BT

[Gunnut 45/454]

Nickle
Now I wouldn't want to make you feel bad cause your heavy barrel guns didn't cut it and my cheap little Savage Hunter out shot your high priced target guns! Any of those under 10 lbs! I don't want you complaining that you through out your back lugging them to the range!

[BT Sniper]

Love the Savages! I say go for it! Whatever you guys got, shoot it! We can post gun "data" next to your entry name or you can post it on your target with the rest of your data when you send it in.

I know a lot of people will enjoy watching the results.

Good shooting!

BT

[BT Sniper]

I updated post #3 of this thread to include prizes, drawings and list of those shooters interested. Remember you can sign up whenever you want up to the last day to participate in this postal shoot. Simply reply in this thread with an "I'm in!"

[clodhopper]

Prize donation.
I have a small flat rate box of fish shape, soft lead ingots.
The lead in these ingots is composed of flashing and pipe with the solder joints cut out, and used .177 air rifle pellets.
I will only pay to ship it in the United States.