Wolf Attacks Here -It s is crazy!

[Ivantherussian03]

Wolves went crazy and attacked an Eskimo village near here. It was a pack of them. They killed dogs and pups, and scared people-ALOT! ??. Rumour is they are rabid, but who knows. Game is still pentiful here, may they are rabid.

[Scrounger]

Not to make light of a serious and tragic situation, but I had to post this excerpt from a report I read:

Rabies is spread through saliva and attacks the nervous system. The only way to determine if an animal is rabid is to cut off the head and test it. It is usually universally fatal in animals and humans.

Whether the reporter or the state official wrote that, that paragraph construction gets your attention.

[hivoltfl]

I watched a training film on rabies in the early 70's, six year old boy's death from it, truly a horrible disease, cant remember all the stages (six I think not sure now though) in Oklahoma where I lived for 35 years 99% of skunks had been exposed to it, thats not to say they were infected or carriers just that they had been around an animal that had it.

I personally think the reintroduction of the wolf is a terrible mistake, our forefathers worked hard to erradicate them, it appears that history will have to repeat itself.

Rick

[Ivantherussian03]

Wolves are part of the landscape here. They were never erradicated here. They tend not to bother people, because they (ussually) end up at the wrong end of bullet. They realize people are bad news for them and head in the other direction fffast.

I am going to be taking an heavier gun with with me in my travels this winter--Just in case, but I would love to see them.

[freedom475]

The overpopulation desease "Mange" has gotten into the wolves in MT. It basically causes the infected animal to lose all its hair and simply die of exposure or freeze to death in most cases. It is not really a desease but a little "mite" that gets under the skin.
Now in an effort to control the spread of this mite in its wolf population the fish and game has been shooting and trapping these infected animals from choppers.

It is really sad that as people we are forced to stand by and watch our recources be desimated by this animal and now nature's hands are also being tied.
Do to the hard work and MONEY from hunters and hunters alone our game herds especially elk have been brought back from the brink. Now because of a few missguided,lied to individuals and agencies we have to watch as that recource falls once again to unhuntable numbers.....SAD!

[Nueces]

I've seen just one wolf and for only an instant. I was sightseeing in Denali National Park, standing in a parking lot, when I glanced up a steep slope and just caught sight of a massive stone white wolf as he turned from watching us and stepped into the trees. Still gives me shivers. What a magnificent animal.

I'm sure I'd have a more 'personal' opinion of wolves after losing pets or livestock to them. What a sight, though.

Mark

[MT Gianni]

Not to make light of a serious and tragic situation, but I had to post this excerpt from a report I read:

Rabies is spread through saliva and attacks the nervous system. The only way to determine if an animal is rabid is to cut off the head and test it. It is usually universally fatal in animals and humans.

Whether the reporter or the state official wrote that, that paragraph construction gets your attention.

I think the reporter left out the words "if untreated". There is a series of shots, both painful and expensive for those bitten. Gianni

[9.3X62AL]

No dealings with wolves at all, excepting a pet wolf owned by a former sis-in-law. Nice critter, but the teeth were IMPRESSIVE.

I've seen the havoc that coyotes can wreak in petstock and livestock populations, wolves are likely little more than coyotes on steroids. PBS had a show on last night about wolf packs in Yellowstone, and mention was made about how parvo and other virus types can decimate wolf populations. This featured pack worked the wintering elk pretty hard, it appeared. Another pack worked BISON--tough way to make a living, and I imagine the tree-huggers who wanted the wolves re-intro'd were a little disappointed to see their pet endangered species whacking another endangered species. Gotta be careful what ya wish for, weed eaters.

[Dale53]

I have a friend who lives in Colorado. Just a few years ago, the area was FULL of herds of deer. He made part of his living guiding deer hunters. The Cougar are protected and since that has happened the deer are in serious decline. I would much rather harvest deer with hunters than by Cougar. Protected Cougar are a serious threat to humans, also.

Of course, the tree huggers that are responsible seldom wander in the Cougars path...

Dale53

[Boz330]

I have a friend who lives in Colorado. Just a few years ago, the area was FULL of herds of deer. He made part of his living guiding deer hunters. The Cougar are protected and since that has happened the deer are in serious decline. I would much rather harvest deer with hunters than by Cougar. Protected Cougar are a serious threat to humans, also.

Of course, the tree huggers that are responsible seldom wander in the Cougars path...

Dale53

They have absolutely no problem pulling down a mature cow elk. A human wouldn't present much problem. I guided in lion country but never saw one, but they are hunted there so they avoided humans like the plague. Any predators like that, that are used to people can be very dangerous. We would find Mule deer that were lion kills all the time. They tended to pick on the bucks because they were more solitary animals especially the bigger bucks. I have seen some that would go into the record books if taken by a hunter, what a waste.
The wolf was being introduced there shortly before I quit guiding, I imagine that Mule deer are getting pretty scarce. There wasn't an overabundance then. But there are plenty of cattle to feed on so they won't starve after the deer are gone

Bob

[Bullshop]

I guess once they get the balance they want there will be no need for hunters.
BIC/BS

[Boz330]

I guess once they get the balance they want there will be no need for hunters.
BIC/BS

That is surely what they would like. Fact is man is a predator as well and has instincts just like any other predator.
When I was growing up we never had a gun in the house and my dad never ever took me hunting. Neither of my grandfathers were hunters. Where did my desire to hunt come from if not instinct. I started with squirrels and rabbits when I was 14 with a borrowed gun and haven't looked back. And I don't kill for fun, I take what I need and use what I take. Well there are ground hogs and a few other vermin that I don't eat. Although fixed right whistle pigs ain't bad.

Bob

[Slowpoke]

637 confirmed cases of rabies in animals so far this year in VA!

I believe it was last year that history was made by a girl that survived full blown rabies after being bit by a bat.

good luck

[Ivantherussian03]

It is official a dead wolf tested positive for the disease. Infected animals are showing up all over.

[Dale53]

Slowpoke;
Actually, a few rare individuals have survived Rabies. It is quite rare and not pleasant, but recovery has happened.

The odds are certainly against you. I have been bitten by dogs several times and had to 'sweat out" the waiting process (if the dog that bit you is alive two weeks after the bite, you are pretty safe).

Dale53

[frank505]

Our elk population in northwest Wyoming has a calf survival rate for the first year of 5%. So in a few years we will have no elk left. We told the feds all we knew and they listened to the weed eaters and ignored us. The feds continue to resist the state of Wyoming managing the wolves because we want to shoot the hell out of them and rid ourselves of a nasty problem. This past summer the feds killed 9 wolves on Carter mountain, probably with helo gunships and cruise missiles, because thay need to waste more money every year and then cry for more taxes to fund their idiocy. It is all about federal control of YOU and your lands. The solution is a rifle.

[MtGun44]

Me and two friends paid some pretty big $ (for me, anyway) for a
'once in a lifetime' elk hunt this year in the area south of Yellowstone
and west of the Teton range. With two parks bordering it, it has
been producing excellent bulls for over 40 years. We hunted hard
on horseback for 6 days, covering up to 35 miles in the saddle
a few days in very rough country. We took horses places I didn't
know you could, up to the edges of both parks. We had up to
18" of snow in some areas. We saw mule deer, black bear, grizzly
bear and moose tracks in the snow. We saw near zero elk tracks,
and one hunter almost got a shot at a bull, and glimsed another
for about 3 seconds. I saw zero elk, and near zero elk sign.
We were in the saddle at sunup, hit camp after dark every day.

This is all due to the combination of the griz and wolves. Our
outfitters have made a part of their living off this hunting camp
for 40 years, one brother has guided the area for 26 yrs and the
younger brother 16 years. They are giving up, can't hunt what is
dead or driven out of the country. We lost a whole lot of money,
saw lots of beautiful country, got a advanced education in horseback
riding, but are really disappointed in the elk. One Yellowstone official
web site says the 'Yellowstone northern herd' - the opposite side of
the park, was about 9500 elk in 1995 and is now around 2200 elk.

If you don't see ANY tracks in 25-30 miles of riding in snow - the
animals are NOT there. In one area we could see miles into Teton
park high country covered in snow. No tracks, no elk seen with
spotting scope, looked for a long time. We DID see wolf tracks,
though. Ever see a dog track 4 1/2" in diameter?

I asked the outfitters if delisting the wolves to allow hunting would
help, he doubted it. He says that in 10 yrs he has seen many but
MAYBE could have put a bullet in ONE, they are gone in a flash. Maybe
if they come to calls like coyotes you could hunt them. We are losing
our elk, and they say the moose are also on the way out. I think
the anti-hunters had this in mind. No large elk herds, no hunting.

We rode beautiful country, and enjoyed the hard workout and saw
some unforgettable sights. A few pix.

Bill

[frank505]

Mtgun44 please write a letter to your congressman explaining your hunt and especially the money spent. Then ask him/her why you have not pressured the feds to delist the damn things so we can try to manage whats left of OUR GAME. The animals belong to the people not some burrocrat or some idiot in another part of this country that has never seen an elk or maybe visited jellystone once. Don't like my attitude? Come spend some quality time and miles hiking our elk country and you will change your mind and everybody else you talk to. It makes me very sad and angry what the feds have done to us and our elk herds. I also rather doubt the claims of some that the elk herds were overpopulated. Oh lets not forget the claims, the wolf will reduce the bison herds in jellystone. I want to see a wolf take a bison calf and live. Bison mothers are very protective and fast and mean

[NSP64]

It is all about federal control of YOU and your lands. The solution is a rifle.

Ever since they won the war. The genie is out of the bottle. The civil war was not about slavery.

[gregg]

Ever since they won the war. The genie is out of the bottle. The civil war was not about slavery.

Friends in Mt have told me Yellowstone wolf packs as far north as Billings and north of Helena Mt. once again we been had.

We have Cougar all over the midwest here. I have "heard storys" that GFP's have planted them under cover of night in many areas?? I have not idea if its true?