Anybody watch the 2013 races on the sports channel? Sure are different boats this time. Cats with foils on the dagger boards, who'd a thought. Sail boat going 40 knots?
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Anybody watch the 2013 races on the sports channel? Sure are different boats this time. Cats with foils on the dagger boards, who'd a thought. Sail boat going 40 knots?
Whatever!
Seem's to be a rich mans sport to me.
A very rich man's sport. Just the sails, and they are NOT true sails, more like wings, are upwards of
5 or 6 MILLION each. Carbon fiber hulls, well not too many of us are gonna build ourselves one of
them.
OH and BTW, The Kiwi boat is kickin *** and takin names.
Jerry
Carolina Cast Bullets
Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional ! ! !
The masts are over a million dollars.............you can barefoot waterski behind one of these "boats"......and I use the term , boat, loosely. Wish they would go back to the old style 12 meter yachts..............But then again, I still think smokeless powder won't succeed!
One more win and the cup comes back to NZ.
I suspect when we win and host the boats will be more traditional.
Yes, it's a rich man's sport but a bunch of Kiwi's on a shoestring budget can still hold their own.
Last edited by JeffinNZ; 09-19-2013 at 05:56 AM.
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Cheers from New Zealand
Jeff.
Only problem with a 12M is they're ancient technology built to a rule dictated (manipulated) by the NYYC (New York Yacht Club) so they could remain dominant for a century. A $5000 Hobie 18 catamaran will literally sail circles around a 12. I would like to see a somewhat more traditional boat, myself, though. The last monohulls were 80' LOA and the bare carbon fiber hull weighed a scant 8000 pounds. That's unbelievably light for an 80' boat. It's hard to tell by looking at them when the AC74s are going upwind or downwind. As much of their own apparent wind as they create there isn't much difference. It is kinds cool to see sailboats go that fast. I would have never believed a 74' boat could break 50 mph 20 years ago.
My favorite AC quote: "So, Dennis, how does it feel to be the only man to lose America's Cup? Twice?"
David
Sometimes life taps you on the shoulder and reminds you it's a one way street. Jim Morris
"Kiwis on a shoestring budget. . . . ." Jeff, you got to be kidding! I have zero idea about
the actual $$ but even a low budget in this game is HUGE and they are funded by the
Arab oil $$, plus a whole bunch of other sponsors. I'd sure like to have the scrap
left over from making that "shoestring"!
Congrats on your sailors and designers, that is a very, very fast boat.
I was amazed to see a boat running at twice the wind speed and making
about 56 kts, (IIRC ) which is 64 miles per hour!!! The crews have to have
flak jackets with flotation and helmets because of the possibility of a high
speed crash! In a sailboat!
Amazing technology.
Bill
If it was easy, anybody could do it.
As for "rich mans sport". What's an NFL or Major League Baseball team selling for these days?
It's always been a rich man's sport but I like to see the technology changes. The old boys were the first to have steel masts, really new designs, etc. Kind of like car racing, developed a lot of good stuff. The skill in skippering one of those is tremendous. No pro sport is for poor or weak of heart. I used to watch the barefoot boys skiing in Long Beach behind the drag boats. I don't want to do a flying W @ 80 mph, done that @ 30 and water is just as hard as dirt.
Whatever!
Yachting has never really changed.............standing under a cold shower tearing up $100 dollar bills is still the best description I've heard..
"Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too."
Trust me. Compared to the money Larry is throwing at it we are sailing on pocket change. He has TWO boats. We have one. If we break it.......Originally Posted by MtGun44
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Jeff.
Doesn't look like it will break, and the sailors seem to be really doing an
outstanding job. Weird to see their flat turns and the lateral acceleration
is high enough that the crews have difficulty moving around during the
corners.
Bill
If it was easy, anybody could do it.
Bill, I would LOVE to see some strain gauges on the aerofoils etc. The load must be something else.
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Cheers from New Zealand
Jeff.
Jeff,
As a structures guy, I am impressed and amazed at those boats. VERY high loads on the centerboard/foils
and the rudder/foils when those beasties rise up and literally fly across the water. AMAZING that they
can do it, from a structures and stability and control standpoint.
I have sailed since I was about 13, but always in somebody else's boats and never was a real expert, just
a decent amateur. But I have done it enough to really appreciate those machines.
I hope we beat you, but I don't think it will happen. Kiwis are some fine sailors, a well proven fact.
Bill
If it was easy, anybody could do it.
AC racing has about as much relevance as Formula 1 racing, but OMG is it fun to watch! Speaking as a long time yacht carpenter (retired) and participant in the local sail boat racing scene (retired from that, too) I am truly amazed at how far technology has taken us. Don't get me wrong, I would rather have the wooden Sparkman&Stevens 33' Pilot that my pal and I scratch-built a couple years ago over a carbon fiber wonder boat, but still...
I thought Sir Thomas Lipton lost Four times?
Best Regards,
Chev. William
Dan convinced them that "BULLPLATELUBE" was great stuff.
Seeing is believing.
WE WON. WE BEAT THE MACHINE. WE HAVE CCW NOW.
Bill, it's the same way an airplane goes up when there's no "up" wind. Once the sails are full, if rigged right, they assume the shape of airfoils. They create "lift" in the lateral plane, so they can go faster than the wind. Standard sailboats can go faster than the wind, but it takes some special designs to go double the wind speed. If you want to see some fast "sailing", check out the ice skimmers. Those guys are nuts!
Gary
Takeoffs are optional, landings are manditory.
I think you got it. True a sailboat doesn't have an engine, but as far as the airfoil is concerned, an airplane engine only propels the airfoil through the air to create an artificial wind. Best wishes, Gary
Gary
Takeoffs are optional, landings are manditory.
Sailed on Quivira when I was a kid. Had the Crazy Dane as he was called doing the ice sailing thing till he lost the mast. 30 knot wind from 3 points and very little friction from the runners. He only had about 40' of sail, off a Lido 14. Ice boats on Michigan used to get 60 knots easy. The Hobie 16 cats made about 10 tacks up that pond and were really busy guys.
Whatever!
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