Got the H&R slug gun(rifled)...I know before I check anybody who is anybody as far as manufacturers is going to say shotgun pressures when I say shotgun, but I cant help believe that these puppies woulda been proofed a hair more substantial given that they know folk aint going to be satisfied with off the shelf only. I'm sick of bluforce at two bucks a pop. I'm sick of lee and lymans bidismal attempts. What they got is good through the cabin door bear medicine, but I'd never trust the accuracy to hunt, so I've been thinking custom. As soon as I go from cutting wads to cutting metal my pressures goin to rise so I'm just tryiung to guess at what I might live through