From the firearms news and gun rags.... 17WSM gives 3K with 20 gr and 2600 with 25 gr. Well the new rimfire has my attention. Certainly will be a welcome addition to my inventory of working guns. I know you can load the 17 CFs and 20 and 22 cf cheaper then the new rf ammo BUT... about 90% of my fur hunting area is rf only by law/regulation. Now I find the HMR and 22mag to be good but have limited range for my purposes. Looks like this new rf will change the game for me a whole lot. As of now I expect my #10 autos and 870 in 3" 12ga will continue to carry most of the workload but the new rf will have a chance to prove what it can do. Good shootin to all, 10 ga