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Thread: .22 Hornet or .22 K-Hornet?

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    I will look into the 222, I agree the long neck would likely help with the longer boolits.

    I do not know very much about cast boolits. Do you think they can handle the faster twists at these velocities? I have even been thinking about a gain twist barrel, I wonder if it would be easier on the bullets in such a fast twist barrel?
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    There has been discussion on gain twist and cast referring to the 6.5 Carcano. I don't remember the consensus. The AR guys would be able to tell us about cast and fast twist barrels. I don't see a problem with subsonic loads. Boolit design may be more important with fast twist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 303Guy View Post
    There has been discussion on gain twist and cast referring to the 6.5 Carcano. I don't remember the consensus. The AR guys would be able to tell us about cast and fast twist barrels. I don't see a problem with subsonic loads. Boolit design may be more important with fast twist.
    Thank you again for the guidance!
    I will look into the discussion about gain twist on the Carcano? I wonder if the gain twists are easier on the boolit for a fast twist?

    Do you know what designs would work better for a fast twist? I guess I should see what the AR shooters use. From my first look they seem to use boolits with gas checks. I dont think I would need them for subsonics, but really I dont know.

    I really know nothing about cast boolits, so any help is greatly appreciated.

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    Well the heaviest boolit and fastest twist I've ever fired as a 265gr torpedo in a 303 Brit with its 1 in 10 twist. That's actually quite a heavy for caliber boolit. But it was a smooth side and did have a gas check. I'm not a gas check person so I am pursuing plain based boolits. I'm aiming for 1800 fps with a plain base in one rifle. I guess I have my work cut out for me. I also want a lighter boolit at lower velocity in another rifle. For my hornet I would be quite happy with a 60gr cast at as much velocity as I can get from it. I made a swage die a few years ago which does work but I haven't gotten a round tuit. I do have a 55gr RCBS FN mold but it is a bit difficult to cast with and it's a G/C mold.
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    My own 1-14 K Hornet will not stabilize M193 55FMJ at 2000 fps very well, so I am of the notion that heavier bullets need faster twist.

    At some point low velocity lightweight bullets are defeated by environmental factors and hitting becomes hard to do unless I guess right....not easy. I sure don't try to kill anything at long range with it going slow. If I want challenge bordering on frustration try precise long range shooting with it going slow. Whether it works or not depends on your definition of long range. I admit to doing some myself. My definition of long range probably is not as far as some visualize it when shooting that way.

    If I really want to hit something at distance I vote fast every time.

    This same barrel throws the 225415 sideways at near 1000-1050 fps especially as cooler temps near. Take that for whatever you think it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenyerian View Post
    http://www.go2gbo.com/forums/index.p...,231528.0.html Gray Bread Forum's have reamers to rent . Looks and sounds easy to do but I haven't tried it yet.
    I've done 2 by hand with rented reamers. Must have done something right as they both shoot great. My rifle gets much better top speeds +250. Pistol=no speed improvement.

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    My hornet has an oversize and rough chamber. For case life I head-space on the case mouth and don't size at all. I also have to lube the cases or they will separate on a groove in the chamber. It turned out that with Lil'Gun, the standard hornet will outperform the k-hornet. But now there is a new powder, CFE Blackout, that puts the k-hornet ahead. So now I am considering the k-hornet conversion again. The gain in velocity isn't really worth the cost though, especially that I am no longer allowed to hunt with the hornet on public land. It would be easier to load for though. We'll see what I decide.
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    Since this thread aired I acquired a very late M54 Winchester in .22 Hornet, that was altered to K-Hornet by Lyle Kilbourn himself (the "K" in K-Hornet). Good golly, with its Lyman Targetspot scope and a steady rest it'll crease the eyelids of house flies at 100 yards. L'il Gun, SP primers and mild SR primers, and 40-45 jacketed bullets are its favorite diet. Two iterations of Ideal 225438 molds give me great hopes for aspirin-sized groups at 100 - if, and only if, I dope the wind well and the stars are in perfect alignment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gnoahhh View Post
    if, and only if, I dope the wind well and the stars are in perfect alignment.

    I thought that only worked with muzzleloaders.

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    Looks to me like that M54 found a good home gnoahhh.

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Abbreviations used in Reloading

BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check