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    One of the guys at work picked up a Remington XP100 in 35 Remington last week, says it's a hand full with LeveRevolution!?, I've got some Hornady 180grn SSP bullets I said he could have for it.
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    I'd love an XP100 in .35 Rem. Mild to Wild. Actually I'd take one in any caliber

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    Occurs to me that the skimpy shoulder of the .35 Rem may discourage some riflemakers.
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    I had wanted a XP-100 too. But I never got around to it for various reasons over the years.

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    Over about a 10 year period, my Rem 7600 in 35 Whelen accounted for a bunch of deer, at least 1 per season.

    I finally started asking myself: Why was I using this rifle? It was way more than I needed for whitetail. Rounds were twice the cost of a 30-06, and the recoil was significant.

    After leaving on the rack for a couple of seasons, I got the itch to do something with it. I ended up using an RCBS 200 grain powdercoated lead bullet over H4895. I started getting really accurate results as I passed 35 Remington velocities, so I just left it there.

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    Another round with a skimpy shoulder, notorious for headspace problems, but when it's right it's right.
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    the biggest problem with the .35 Remington is that a .358 Winchester fits in the same size action. Given the ready availability of .308 brass vs the dearth of .35 brass, why anyone would bother with the Remington in a short bolt action is something only a true rifle loony would debate.

    Mind you I'll never part with my .35 Remington and a huge contingent of my cousins in St. Lawrence county would never surrender their .35 remingtons for any other cartridge either.

    For awhile the remington custom shop listed their nifty little mannlicher stocked model 7 in .35 remington. I wish I had 1/2 dozen of them.
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    That nails it. Not a single bolter made today that's not capable of handling .358 pressures. So why build for the tiny niche market that wants the .35 Rem?

    The Remmy still has a place, albeit small, in single shots and levers which can't use the .358, but that's about all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uscra112 View Post
    That nails it. Not a single bolter made today that's not capable of handling .358 pressures. So why build for the tiny niche market that wants the .35 Rem?........
    Why? Because some of us really like the 35 Rem, enough to build our own. Mine is based on a SR Mauser, which a 358 Win is pushing it’s limits. Many of our “less popular”.... 280 Rem, 257 Roberts, 300 Savage, 222 Rem, 30-40 Krag and many more are facing extinction due to manufacturers limiting production. It’s up to us to keep them going.
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    All good points I agree , yeah 358 can easily be made from 308 BUT when was the last time you saw a box of factory 358 ammo on a store shelf ? I bet for me it's been 20 years minimum 35 Rem not a problem at all in most of the eastern side of the country anyways .not all shooters and hunter are reloaders or what to deal with forming X out of Y , Yeah it's shoulder dia is not too big either BUT all those model 8, 14,141 336's and the few bolt actions never had any problems dealing with it ? Like someone already said it don't shoot a pointy streamlined bullet at warp factor 3 and have that 500 yds point blank range that everyone these days seen to want to shoot a little deer at 75 -100 yds .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Grinch View Post
    Why? Because some of us really like the 35 Rem, enough to build our own. Mine is based on a SR Mauser, which a 358 Win is pushing it’s limits. Many of our “less popular”.... 280 Rem, 257 Roberts, 300 Savage, 222 Rem, 30-40 Krag and many more are facing extinction due to manufacturers limiting production. It’s up to us to keep them going.
    Not enough of us, obviously, or sales would be driving the mfgrs. to produce more. Nothing resists the tide of economics.
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    I never had a 35Rem BA but had two 350Mgs, both bought used at LGS shortly after they were sold.
    I never shot them that much, I bought them for canoe guns. I remember same dealer had a 35R 600
    that gathered dust for a long time before he sold it. The 35R is one of my favorite woods guns. My
    favorite is a Rem 141. My first deer rifle was a Rem 8/35R when I was a kid. I also have a Rem 14.
    I just sold a Marlin JM and a Rem 14. I have shot a truck load of deer with the 141, it is a more natural pointer for me than the #8. One thing I found with the Rem 14,141,8 & 81 is they all like RN
    bullets. So the 14 & 141 twisted magazine was a feature I didn't use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uscra112 View Post
    Occurs to me that the skimpy shoulder of the .35 Rem may discourage some riflemakers.
    The 300 Blackout has a skimpy shoulder and it is available in many rifles.

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    For 40 years I hunted with scoped high velocity rifles.
    A few years back I bumped into a like new Rem 141 made in 1946. So I bought it an when deer season came I took it hunting. The place I hunted was partly wooded and partly open with several hills that I could climb and glass from. Concerned that I might miss a long shot at a nice buck I solved the long range short vs range dilemma by carrying 2 rifles. One scoped 25-06 and the old 141 in .35 Rem. I didn't think my eyes would be good for more than 100 yards with the iron sights and I could never locate a Lyman tang sight for it. Anyway deer are unlucky and that day I got a good look at a very nice 10 pointer at about 80 yards. The old 35 hit him at about a 45 degree angle in the back of the rib cage and it exited his right front chest. Out of sight he ran. Thinking I had a tracking job to do I walked past the cedar where he was last seen and he was dead about 15 feet away. Total distance covered - about 30 feet. Almost no meat was damaged.
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    I'm down to a 100th anniversary 336 and limited run 2006' 7600 carbine in 35 rem. I also bought a 2018' limited run 7600 35 whelen carbine this year. Wish I had a model 600 in it. I'll settle for the 243 chambering I own. It makes a good walking coyote zapper. My buddy just picked up a 600 in 243 for $300 out of a shop out west. He already has one in 308 and knows how awesome they are so there's no way I'm getting it out of his hands to rebarrel it to 35 rem.
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    If your looking for 35 Rem bullets, they mainly make them available late summer for the November White tail season, limited amount. That was my experience. There are still a few tactical hold outs that use 35 Rem lever guns around here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randyrat View Post
    If your looking for 35 Rem bullets, they mainly make them available late summer for the November White tail season, limited amount. That was my experience. There are still a few tactical hold outs that use 35 Rem lever guns around here.
    If I did, (and I don't at the moment), out would come the lead pot and the Lyman 358315 mould. The .35 Rem is just right for a 210 grain casting of 50-50 wheelweights and pure lead. Properly gas checked, sized and lubed, it's good for 2000 fps over a slightly compressed load of 3031, and as accurate as any j-word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uscra112 View Post
    If I did, (and I don't at the moment), out would come the lead pot and the Lyman 358315 mould. The .35 Rem is just right for a 210 grain casting of 50-50 wheelweights and pure lead. Properly gas checked, sized and lubed, it's good for 2000 fps over a slightly compressed load of 3031, and as accurate as any j-word.
    I've tried and tried again with that bullet in mine and could never get good results past about 16-1700 fps with that undersized nose it has , my mould drops them around .347-.348 on the base of the nose . For plinkers they work great in the 1200 or so fps range .
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    Quote Originally Posted by RU shooter View Post
    I've tried and tried again with that bullet in mine and could never get good results past about 16-1700 fps with that undersized nose it has , my mould drops them around .347-.348 on the base of the nose . For plinkers they work great in the 1200 or so fps range .
    I have never thought to check that diameter before, but mine drop at ~ .350 there. (Note that the bullets I'm measuring were cast several years ago.) It was my Dad's mould, from when the rifle was his. Now I have to wonder if maybe he or some previous owner lapped it out? Hmmmm.....

    BTW I used a .360 die in my lubrisizer; barely sizes the base part at all.

    Are you casting softer? Nose slump maybe? (I do, to be wholly truthful, add 2% tin to that mix.)
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    I lied. My notes say I was getting ~1900 fps., not 2000.
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BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check