Yes, the American schuetzen rifles were all influenced by Europeans who immigrated here, and brought their love of schuetzen shooting, and in some cases their rifles too. And some of the most famous custom gun makers building American schuetzen rifles were immigrants themselves. So they based their rebuilds of American rifle actions on what they already knew of guns back in their homelands.
David, is yours 8.15 also? Love the scope but don't want one on either of mine.
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There is so much truth to that! When I am not shooting Schuetzen black powdah ‘cartridge’ rifles, I am shooting flintlocks, snaphaunce, wheellocks, matchlocks, arquebus and even hand gonnes from 1360.
Every Winter I run/shoot the muzzleloading primitive biathlons, using a smoothbore flintlock, 60” barrel, 75-caliber, on wooden snowshoes. Those shoots have not been held for the past 2-years due to Covid, so I shot the military offhand match at my local club from January to March.
I was shooting against Springfields, Garands, M14s or M1As … all offhand at 50 and 100-yards, and I was using an 1887 Italian Vetterli-Vitaly in rimmed 10.4x47R. Let’s just say that I placed 1st or 2nd at almost every match, and shot a 3” group offhand, witnessed at 100-yards. Our club sends about 30 shooters to the national every year, i.e., think Camp Perry or their new National range, and I would swap places with the Captain of our high-power rifle team at our club.
So, yes … to answer your question, anyone who can shoot a BP cartridge rifle or an older BP firearm with accuracy, will excel at every other shooting sport! If this picture uploads, this is the left-handed 38-55 CPA Schuetzen that I built, as a Stevens model 52, using metal work from Paul & Gail Shuttleworth.
Well … am sleeping on the boat tonight … not a good connection … will upload photos later …
All my ‘toys that go BANG’ will shoot into ONE ragged hole ALL FREAKIN’ DAY LONG ... it's just those darn additional shots that tend to open up my groups!
Mighty purty rifles, old or new post. NICE!
The old-timer in the photo was Philip E. Brooks (1879-1969). Mr. Brooks rubbed elbows with Harry Pope and other greats of the Schuetzen era. The target Mr. Brooks is holding is a facsimile (from the score sheet) of the record target fired by Doctor Hudson in (I think) 1901. The match was 100 shots off-hand at 200 yards on the German ring target. No sighters, no shooting jacket, cast lead bullets with no gas checks. And Hudson was using iron sights. I believe Doctor Hudson's score was 2301.
BP | Bronze Point | IMR | Improved Military Rifle | PTD | Pointed |
BR | Bench Rest | M | Magnum | RN | Round Nose |
BT | Boat Tail | PL | Power-Lokt | SP | Soft Point |
C | Compressed Charge | PR | Primer | SPCL | Soft Point "Core-Lokt" |
HP | Hollow Point | PSPCL | Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" | C.O.L. | Cartridge Overall Length |
PSP | Pointed Soft Point | Spz | Spitzer Point | SBT | Spitzer Boat Tail |
LRN | Lead Round Nose | LWC | Lead Wad Cutter | LSWC | Lead Semi Wad Cutter |
GC | Gas Check |