Played with quickload a bit and came up with a couple starting loads. 22.5gr of 8208XBR and 23gr of IMR4895. The 4895 seemed to be the lower of the two for recoil and blasting a chunk out of the soggy earth where I fired the test rounds. The 8208 was a little more snappy. I realize these fail to quantify anything but both loads left the cases nice and no pressure signs on primers or hard bolt lift. The rifle is an SSG82 and I loaded the 60gr hornady Vmax bullets to about .010 off contact with the lands. That puts them about 40 thousandths too long for the mag but I don't really care. I'd rather have good accuracy and shorter jumps seem to help. I can single feed. Hopefully I'll get to the range in the near future and see how the accuracy looks and velocity too. Quickload has both loads at mid 2900's and 43,000 psi. I'll work things up a bit as I go on. I doubt much of this will be good for the AK's since I'm loading over mag length but it might give a starting point.
Frank