Duke at the time I got my dies BT was not making any or was anyone else making any for sale. I got dies from BT and would have gotten my 224 dies from him also. It was not a matter of saving money but getting dies that would work in the presses i already own. I understand your a fan of BTs and do not have a dog in this fight so why do you insist on commenting. Its not helping anyone. If you have anything helpful please share.