Using a hand press in public.

[mdi]

mrjog- ifin' I were you, I'd recheck my info sources. Empty brass illegal in a public place? Gunpowder illegal in a public place? Can't reload .223 in a hand loader? Balooooney!

[Reload3006]

The Issue is not whether its illegal. Its not. however each property owner has a right to say who and what is on their property. And that is true even in most right to carry states. Even if you have a CCW permit and a property owner bans it at least in the state of Missouri the property owner trumps your right to carry. In other words you have a right to carry but a property owner has rights too. Same with reloading If the property owner doesn't want it on his property for any reason he has the right to ask you to leave. IF you refuse you can be charged with trespass.

[mrjog]

You are right about private property Reload3006. But legality is in fact the issue.

I did it at a bowling alley. It's something to do between turns during league play. But the manager said even bringing empty casings inside was illegal. I respect him enough to refrain from doing it whether it is legal or not. If he doesn't want me to do it I won't. But I'm not sure if I think he is correct about that.

If there was a law regarding ammunition and liquor license. I would be interested in knowing about it. But that is just a for instance. This is why I'm contacting the police. Not because I'm attempting to prove to alley manager that I should be able to continue doing it there. I have already stated that if he doesn't want me doing it in there then I won't.

[fatelk]

Reload 30-06 is right, and I think that's what the state police will tell you if they respond. It would have been smarter and more professional had the manager come up to you and asked you to either stop or leave because what you were doing was making other customers uncomfortable.

I don't know about the legality of live primers or powder, but I have a hard time imagining any such laws banning the possession of empty brass in public, alcohol or not. I think the manager just made it up to get you to stop, when in fact he could have just told you to stop because it was bothering other customers.

[Sonnypie]

Never heard of such a thing. But in this obamanation we are in, it would not surprise me.
Somebody told my wife it was illegal to have as much ammunition as I do.
Which isn't all that much. But I do have enough to die with my guns loaded.
There is an obscure law here that you can't have more than 100 rounds of ammunition. And then I can go to WalMart and buy as many 555 round boxes of .22 LR as I want.
So there is some real Liberal Logic (lack of...) for you for example.

Anything is legal, until you get caught.

If I was in a bowling alley, I wouldn't desire to crunch shells. I'd much rather watch the girls bowl, and undress them with my eyes.

But hey, different strokes for different folks.

[mrjog]

The situation played out a little different then how I think you may be imagining. The manager at this location knows me well enough to say whatever he wants. And to know that I wasn't going to do it if he wanted me not to. I could see what you mean about being "smarter and more professional". And I think he may have done it like that had I been a stranger.

I don't think he just made it up either. I think that there are many people out there that have no clue when it comes to laws concerning firearms, ammunition, propellants, etc. And I think he really does believe that it is illegal.

[Sonnypie]

I'd still much rather watch the girls and undress them with my eyes.....

(The term: Dirty Old Man comes to mind....)

[mrjog]

You can't press and gawk at the same time?

[Sasquatch-1]

When I was working we had a charge called "Unregistered Ammo" Although I cahrged a few "Thugs" with it I never did understand how you could register ammo.

Now, as far as primers and gunpowder in a public place the only thing I could think of is they could be consided possession of an explosive device. Same catch-all a lot of jurisdiction use for fireworks.

For the rest of it, although I would feel awkward doing it, I can't imagine what law would govern sizing and decapping in public.

[mrjog]

"Unregistered Ammo" Interesting.

[geargnasher]

Gear, sorry to say that I am from California, (shakes head slowly), we have lots of crazy laws as I am sure everyone knows. I have never heard of the 51% sign you mention. Care to elaborate?

Gabe

Since Texas passed its concealed-carry legislation, part of the restrictions to carry involve businesses who gross 51% or more of their annual revenue from the sale of booze (think liquor store or bar). Such businesses are required to post a standardized black and white sign by or on the front door stating the law prohibiting concealed weapons inside. There's a light blue "51" on the background of the sign. Certain knives are considered illegal to carry as well, I don't remember the specs but it has to do with blade length.

Gear

[mrjog]

So a criminal might target a bar because he/she believes it would be safer to do so?

[Idaho Sharpshooter]

we also have the post issue here in Idaho. The operator of a facility can place a sign where it is easily seen as you enter the facility that no firearms are allowed.

A restaurant here did that about three months later. Everybody I knew with a license went there, told them they would not be comfortable bringing their family anywhere that would be a prime target for robbery, etc. Then walked out the door.

They closed the doors less than six months later. With this economy, purposely irritating customers is D-U-M-B.

I haven't been anywhere in almost two years now not carrying.

you guys have some silly laws/limitations...

Rich

[merlin101]

"Unregistered Ammo" Interesting.

Comeing soon to your area, complaments of the Obama adminastration

[mold maker]

Before retirement I ran tumblers at the shop all the time. The anti gun boss wasn't amused, but allowed it. I even cleaned and polished several lbs of horse shoe nails for him to make sculptures with.
I cant believe just prepping brass, would cross any lines, except to those that don't know how to mind their on biz. Some folks enjoy having their panties in a wad.

[NoZombies]

Anything is legal, until you get caught.

Not great logic there!
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As to the issue at hand, I cannot speak to the legality of the brass prepping in public, but I've found that often, discretion prevents headaches. For example, I wouldn't announce what I was doing, and would answer vaguely (but honestly) if asked. Something like "preparing brass containers for recycling" might suffice.

In Florida, we have a 51% law as well, but it states that the 51% has to be in the sales of alcohol for consumption on premises. So we can carry into a liquor store, but not into their lounge (if they have one).

In Florida, State law is written in an odd fashion, stating that if private property is posted as being "No firearms" or whatever, you are not breaking the law to concealed carry there (with permit of course). However, if you are asked to leave, and refuse, then you are committing Felony armed trespass.

[Sonnypie]

Speaking of panties in a wad....

So you never turn without signaling?
Speed?
Or break any laws ever?



rrrriiiggghhhtttt.

[lars1367]

Have you checked with the VCDL regarding your question? I'm thinking they would have some definitive answers for you regarding VA specific firearms and firearms related legislation. Keep in mind that if you have the unfortunate displeasure of residing in NOVA, you are most likely surrounded by individuals that are less than sympathetic to your past time. Reloading in public, no matter how benign you see it, will always be met with an idiot's opinion ringing out loud.
-Lars

[wv109323]

Would there be any law that would prohibit a licensed commercial reloader from transporting powder and primers? Haz-Mat? I had never thought about how dealers transport powder and primers to gun shows for sale. I bet there would be some stink raised with DHS if they caught a dealer with hundreds of pounds of powder and primers?
I was at a gun show on Sunday and bought some .223 from a commercial reloader. He made the comment that the .223 ammo was selling well at the show and that he had spent most of the previous evening at the motel reloading .223 ammo for Sunday.
He carried Dillon machines with him and Loaded on the road.

[LabGuy]

If I wanted a legal opinion on a seemingly obscure law or to verify it’s existence, I wouldn’t ask law enforcement. Do you have any shooting friends in the legal profession who would do some pro bono work?