Doomsday Has Arrived!!!!

[HardColt]

Hello everyone!!!! Been a sad day yesterday when my son just got home from the indoor range. The range officer/manager asked him if he was into reloading and he said yes. He just wanted to inform my son that our indoor range ( still indefinite date) will not be allowing members &visitors to shoot reloads using LEAD CAST bullets. I was just taken aback while we were chatting cause this is why I started casting/reloading about 28 yrs ago. Only reloaded copper jacketed bullets will be allowed on the indoor range. My son was upset too, cause he just started casting his own LRN 230g 45 acp a couple of weeks ago since we were running low on projectiles and I am overseas to do a mass production casting for our stash. My son wasn't explicit when the ban would take effect? I don't know if the EPA is involved or it is because the indoor range where we are both members disregarded and let their indoor air filtration/recirculation system go beyond repair. Now, it will be expensive to have it repaired and bring it up to standards with EPA or what? It's is a good indoor range and people are really friendly, they even have a free member bring one guest, active military, retiree use on Fridays. It's just the red tape that everyone needs to muddle with.
My next question is: Has anybody attempted to copper jacket lead cast bullets? Is the electrolysis or whatever process used intensive and sort of NASA level aptitude? Don't want to give up shooting, reloading and casting. I can't find another fix to substitute for the addiction. Thanks.

[btroj]

Many here have tried to copper plate, none have done it successfully. You can get a light copper wash easily, getting ever a 10 thousandths buildup is the tough part.

I think this is best left to industry where they can do things just no feasible at home.

[blademasterii]

On a completely unrelated note. I hear they sell copper colored spray paint now.

[happyret65]

Sounds like it is time to get someone new running your indoor range and talk to the Board about this change.

[Moondawg]

The last I heard, the only indoor range in San Antonio, Texas will not allow any type of reloaded ammunition. In fact they will not allow regular factory ammunition. You have to purchase the special clean ammo, that has the bullet completely enclosed in a heavy copper jacket, or uses a lead free bullet, and that uses lead free primers. The reason, the EPA inspects them and if the EPA can detect the smallest trace of lead the EPA will close the range down. Also, the range cannot just exhuast any airborn lead to the outside, that would also be polution. In this country, both state and federal government is serious about potential lead polution. That also serves as a good excuse to limit and/or make shooting more difficult.

[cbrick]

So far in this post it's Virginia and Texas. And they bad mouth California?

Ok, I don't shoot at indoor ranges where it's your choice, shoot the target or hit it with the muzzle but I've heard none of these restrictions from those that do.

The last indoor range I went to about 30 years or so ago anounced to me when I arrived that all fired brass was theirs, that I couldn't leave with a single piece of fired brass. Well, like I said, that was the last one I went to.

Rick

[btroj]

I shot at a private, for profit, indoor range yesterday. Shot cast Boolits, no questions asked.
Only time I have seen them ask about ammo is for guys shooting rifles.
I can pick up my cases, sometime a get a few from others who are not reloaders.

I wonder if this is really an EPA thing or is it so the range can sell more ammo to increase profits?

[Blammer]

sorry to hear that.

May be time to seriously start looking for another place to shoot, outdoor public range perhaps.

[Hardcast416taylor]

And all I have to use for my various shooting is my old "sad sack" open gravel pit with my pitiful excuses of target holding boards out in that disgusting open air!Robert

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

not be allowing members &visitors to shoot reloads using LEAD CAST bullets. I was just taken aback while we were chatting cause this is why I started casting/reloading about 28 yrs ago. Only reloaded copper jacketed bullets will be allowed on the indoor range..

Can anyone explain a difference of Lead/Air contamination in an indoor range using Boolits as opposed to J-words in Home handloaded ammo ?

Jon

[mdi]

From what I understand Jon, the exposed base of the lead boolit will "vaporize" from the burning powder and contaminate the air in the range. J bullets supposidly have closed bases and are not affecte by the hot gasses (although I've shot some .45 ACP bullets that had open bases). Or so the "Greenies" say...

[lead chucker]

That sucks you can't shoot cast at your range. That's like the grocery store not letting you pay with cash. I feel fortunate we have an out door range with covered bench area. It's pretty much a free for all.

[1Shirt]

Has the smell of the EPA (or) some green weenie, save the planet local type who has bought the coolaid drinking of their ilk.
1Shirt!

[sig2009]

Why do you people tell these ranges you reload lead? It's none of their business! I go to ranges all the time with that lead BS **** that says you cannot shoot lead. I shoot it anyway! Screw you I payed you for the range time. Next time if someone asks your answer should be "No I don't reload" and "No I do not shoot lead ammo" and "No I don't reload"!

[Hickory]

Have the club members -who will- shoot full house loads.
On an indoor range the concussion is terrible.
Tell those in charge that your gun shoot best with near max loads.

[ColColt]

I'm fortunate in that they don't care what you shoot at our range. I've seen everything from shotguns(with lead slugs) to 50 cal magnum loads and lead boolits used. I shoot primarily SWC's and it's never been questioned by anyone. I don't know where I'd go were it not for this range just 7 miles down the road. The next range is outdoors 17 miles from here. I reckon I'd have to have by basement floor dug up and an underground range installed(with proper ventilation, of course).

[Recluse]

I've long said that if Osama bin Laden had flown airliners into the EPA and IRS buildings, I would've started a fundraiser to buy him more airplanes.

[Sonnypie]

has the smell of the epa (or) some green weenie, save the planet local type who has bought the coolaid drinking of their ilk.
1shirt!

amen!

[justingrosche]

We have one such range, in Kent, WA. Champion Arms.
I went there to go shoot my revolvers one day and they said I couldn't shoot lead bullets in their range. They were actually quite rude about it. It was like I just tracked in dog sh*t on their carpet.
Never have been back, never will.

[sirgknight]

Don't know how active you are in politics, but it wouldn't hurt to contact your senior U.S. senator, Jim Webb (D) and get him involved in this matter. If he is not pro-2nd Amendment, it just so happens that he is up for re-election this year. It wouldn't hurt to send a letter to your (R) governor either. If we don't get involved with the grass roots movement of protecting our 2nd amendment rights, then we soon won't have any; I don't care what the "constitution" says. Just look whats going on between Washington and the states now.