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    WOW that would normally seem like a whole lot of work for minimal economic return BUT here in 2013 when primers are an endangered species it might be an excellent alternative---

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    just thought id share

    yea, primers are almost nonexistent here in phoenix, and the ones you can find are expensive. iv beed reloading my spent primers with one roll cap trimmed to fit in the cup, and filled it the rest of the way with match powder from strike anywhere matches from ace hardware. it get a good ignition and feels almost as good as new primers.

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    A story about salvaged primers. An acquaintance of mine had a flood from a river fill his basement. He had a metal safe with his reloading primers inside and it was under water for about ten days. He passed them to me to dispose of. I did not want to throw them out without trying them out first to see if they would still function. Some of the priming compound had even bleed out of the primers. I set them on a concrete pad outside my garage to dry in the sun. At one point in the process my dog ran through the pile and knocked some off the concrete out into the gravel driveway. They disappeared into the gravel. A couple of weeks later after I had put the primers aside I was cutting up a piece of steel pipe with a chop saw and the sparks were landing into the previously seeded gravel. There was a bunch of snaping sounds as the primers fired. Primers are more durable than most people think! I would not want to use them for match loads but they are fine for cast bullets and close range hunting and target shooting.

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    I think we're there. You know, TEOTWAWKI, the zombie apocalypse, whatever you want to call it. You sure can't buy new primers anywhere that I know of, at any rate. Me? I'm ordering roll caps and strike-anywhere matches.
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    roll caps are conspicuous by their absence from the stores as are cap guns as well.

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    Eight YEAR OLD THREAD! But it now has validity. Roll caps are still available at Cabellas (sometimes week to week). One can also order from on line sources. I recommend:

    https://www.civilwarstuff.com/product/roll-caps/

    You can buy a 1200 shot package for $4 plus $ 6 shipping; or 5 packages for $20 plus $6 shipping. They do not soak you on shipping charges like some places do.
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    Thanks Mustang. I've been thinking about this for awhile, and have been finding it hard to find caps. When I was a kid, they were everywhere.
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    As long the caps are made in Germany you will be ok , there is some made in China and you get what you pay for. I just got done to take care for reload large rifle primers and got it work the way it should after some time picking at it . You put 5 caps in the cup. I put 2 face the bottom of the cup and the rest face up . toward and anvil . For pistol I just put one over some 3 to 4 F G black powder. and for Shotgun I do the same . When the powder you load is at the flash hole you are ok . But with some of the rifle for like you load for a lite load the powder is not always at the flash hole. so that is why you need to use more caps . I am now working on caps for my side hammer muzzle loader. Hope this will help some . If you do not have any black powder then you need to test with just for how many caps you need to have it work the way it should. Oh by the way after you shoot these you will need to clean you gun since for the primer reload is corrosive.
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    Lord I cannot believe we are back to this.
    Airplanes and guns should always be made out of metal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alferd Packer View Post
    roll caps are conspicuous by their absence from the stores as are cap guns as well.
    I bought 5 rolls of caps from Cabela's, picked up at my local store, for a tad under $17 a few weeks ago. $2.99/roll, plus state sales tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AviatorTroy View Post
    Lord I cannot believe we are back to this.
    I was reading about this stuff in the old American Rifleman magazines my dad had when I was a kid. Of course, then, they were doing it in the USSR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrounge View Post
    I was reading about this stuff in the old American Rifleman magazines my dad had when I was a kid. Of course, then, they were doing it in the USSR.
    Very poignant observation.

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    Two days ago I took a spent Berdan primer cup, punched out the divot, and put 10 roll cap scrapings (after soaking and separating the layers) into the cup. Pressed the material down with the back of a punch and loaded it into the casing it came out of. Today, after shooting the M1 Garand, I shot that casing without powder just to see if it would pop. IT DID. Put a smile on my face. Now to see if it will ignite some IMR 4895 with a tuft of Dacron filler. If it does, I'll try it with a Sierra 168 grain HPBT.

    I may have a use for all these 41 year old Danish Arsenal casings after all if TSHTF.

    It's nice being retired with extra time to play, I could get used to this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slim1836 View Post
    Two days ago I took a spent Berdan primer cup, punched out the divot, and put 10 roll cap scrapings (after soaking and separating the layers) into the cup. Pressed the material down with the back of a punch and loaded it into the casing it came out of. Today, after shooting the M1 Garand, I shot that casing without powder just to see if it would pop. IT DID. Put a smile on my face. Now to see if it will ignite some IMR 4895 with a tuft of Dacron filler. If it does, I'll try it with a Sierra 168 grain HPBT.

    I may have a use for all these 41 year old Danish Arsenal casings after all if TSHTF.

    It's nice being retired with extra time to play, I could get used to this.

    Slim
    I have been trying to tell people that it would work for years. Berdan primers are easy to refill with no anvil. In my opinion a better option than reloading boxer primed cases. 10 roll caps will be PLENTY to light your cartridges. Be careful with the loaded cases 10 caps will probably fill them up pretty full and he armstrong mix is more fragile than modern primer.

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    Just a note...For those who have been drilling out berdan cases because they use boxer primers.....You are better off depriming the berdan cases and using the re-loaded berdan primers. Hydraulic depriming is pretty easy and it cleans the case and primer at the same time:

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    Something worth considering:
    DANGERS OF Primer from children’s toy “Caps”
    From: "donald haarmann" <donald-haarmann@worldnet.att.net>
    Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
    Subject: Re: Booby Trap Formula - Armstrong's Deadly Brew
    Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 00:24:10 -0500

    CD Ward <ward_cd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:38508F8A.C378EA8B@hotmail.com...

    > These things are generally loaded with Armstrong's Mix. The amount is
    > quite small, but as noted, the stuff is very sensitive and potent. I met
    > a fellow once who had a major horror story as a result of mixing an
    > ounce of such material. He didn't know anything about its dangers, and
    > as a result was maimed for life. One creepy part of the story is that he
    > mixed it *dry* in a polyethylene tub with a stirring rod of some kind.
    > The resulting explosion shattered the windows in the room where he was
    > working and actually shattered the polyethylene into jagged, needle-like
    > shards. The larger ones were extracted at the ER, while the smaller ones
    > (undetectable by x-ray) worked their way out of his body for many, many
    > months. Very ugly scene, indeed. I met him years afterward and the scars
    > were still clearly visible, the hands, still, of course, damaged. This
    > is not an experiment for the young amateur to emulate.


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    Donald J Haarmann aka The WiZ
    American Fireworks News #51 December 1985

    A letter of some months past detailing a reader's experiences with
    nitrogen tri-iodide, has occasioned this missive on its potentially
    lethal cousin, Armstrong's mixture.

    Dear WiZ,

    "Quite some years ago (30?) I happened upon the following in the Popular
    Science Book of Formulas: Recipes, Methods & Secret Processes. (1932) 'A
    sensitive detonating mixture is made of potassium chlorate 10 parts,
    black antimony sulphide 5 parts and red phosphorus 1 part. Mix without
    friction and at some distance from the operator's face. It is quite
    sensitive to blows, very unlike [?] the potassium chlorate sulphur
    mixture.'

    "In those bygone days it was easy to obtain chemicals either from the
    local druggist (who was probably amazed at the amount of potassium
    nitrate my mother required for "preserving meat") or any chemical supply
    house. One local chemical supply house would even give me a discount for
    being a student. Therefore, obtaining the required reagents was not
    difficult.

    "I started out by putting the mixture in 0000 gelatin capsules. Just
    throwing them up into the air was sufficient to cause detonation upon
    impact with the ground.

    "One day a friend and I loaded quite a large amount into a cardboard tube
    that BB's come in. We backed off quite a bit and fired upon it with a
    Daisy pump action BB gun. The second or third pellet found the mark,
    resulting in a tremendous blast which rocked us back on our heels and
    caused the propane gas tanks next to the house to ring as though they had
    been struck by a hammer!

    "This progressed to placing the material into a (you don't want to know).
    Threw one off the roof of my friend's apartment house one night toward
    the vacant lot directly behind. However, its errant trajectory caused it
    to land/detonate on the fire escape of an adjacent building! Scared the
    S- out of someone who was peacefully watching TV with the window open.

    "For the ultimate and final folly, had taken to adding magnesium to
    increase sensitivity! (Bet the second thing you did with your Chem Craft
    chemistry set was to find all the fun things you could do with
    Magnesium!) At that time our families both had country homes to which we
    adjoined each summer. In the surrounding woods my friend and I had
    constructed a small shack. On this fateful day while seated on the ground
    at the back, my friend was seated on a stone wall directly in front
    mixing, when KABOOM! WHAT A BLAST!!! The smoke blew away, and HE WAS
    GONE!!!! GOOD GRIEF, what am I going to tell his mother???? He blew
    himself up and I can't even find the pieces?!?!

    I am happy to report my grief was short lived, for these few seconds of
    no little anguish were relieved by a plaintive cry of' Pssst -- Pssst I'm
    over here, coming from some yards away. For as luck would have it, we
    (he) were using a cardboard container, and "all" that happened was the
    bottom blew out, resulting in numerous small holes in his blue jeans from
    the unreacted phosphorus, and a not little-bit sore, blackened hand.
    There is, in retrospect, no doubt in my mind that had mixing been
    completed and the whole batch detonated, he would not have been able to
    play the piano. Regards,"

    Name withheld under pain of having flaming arrows being sent in the WiZ's
    direction while he is making flash and report.

    Yes, indeed. I would add the following quote from the American
    Pyrotechnist for March 1978. "[a PGI member] dry mixed about a teaspoon
    of potassium chlorate and [red] phosphorous, put it in a plastic 35mm
    film container, and it ignited or exploded violently just from the slight
    friction of snapping the cap on! He says that he has learned his lesson,
    but the injuries to both hands were so disabling that he will not be able
    to correspond with other members for about 2 months."

    Some time ago an outfit called Howell Laboratories, Folly Beach, SC, sold
    through an advertisement in the Shotgun News information on a "frictional
    impact explosive"

    The information turned out to be 5 small photo reproduced pages on the
    compounding of Armstrong's mixture, for use in "Security Bombs" (booby
    traps), "Smoke Screen" (combined with ammonium chloride), "Impact
    Grenades" (gelatin capsules), "Explosive Rodent Traps" ("It let's you
    know when a mouse or rat has been caught."), and "Impact Detonator', and
    "Explosive Paint" ("This explosive paint lends itself well to practical
    jokes.") [Sure!] One half pages were devoted to safety in compounding,
    with the admonishment that "A pencil eraser sized piece will put the
    loudest fire cracker to shame, while a thimble full will rival a stick of
    dynamite." Perhaps somewhat over stated, but not by much.

    An accident involving a substantial amount of Armstrong's mixture was
    reported in Explosives and Their Power. Translated and Condensed from the
    French of M. Berthelot. London 1892.

    "The explosion which occurred in Paris, in the Rue Beranger, on May 14,
    1878, may also be mentioned, in a store containing amorces [caps]
    intended for children's toys. These amorces were composed as follows:

    One kind, called single, of a mixture of potassium chlorate (12 parts),
    amorphous [red] phosphorus (6 parts), lead oxide (12 parts), and resin (1
    part); the others, called double, consisted of a mixture of potassium
    chlorate (9 parts), amorphous phosphorus (1 part), antimony sulphide (1
    part), flowers of sulphur (0.25 part), and nitre (0.25 part). The latter,
    more sensitive to friction, averaged 0.01 grm. in weight. From six to
    eight millions of these amorces pasted on paper slips, in lots of five
    each, were piled up in the warehouse in boxes. A few of these having
    become ignited by an accident, the origin of which was never clearly
    ascertained, caused the whole to explode. One building suddenly gave way,
    the facade being blown out, and the stonework hurled some distance. One
    stone, measuring a cubic metre, was thrown to a distance of fifty two
    meters. A great part of the adjoining building was also destroyed,
    fourteen persons were killed on the spot, and sixteen received injuries.

    "These terrible effects are explained when we consider that the weight of
    the entire explosive matter contained in the amorces amounted to about 64
    kgms., and that its force, owing to the composition of this matter, was
    equal to a force of 226 kgms. of black powder. (These facts have been
    taken from the report presented by the Committee of Inquiry.)

    "It is essential that persons having explosive substances under their
    charge should never lose sight of the conviction that, from the facts and
    general truths which have just been stated, preventive measures should
    always be prescribed on the hypothesis of an explosion." [Amen.]

    I hope that these experiences point up the folly of working with
    combinations such as Armstrong's mixture, its cousin the red explosive
    mixture, and other less than safe and sane mixtures, i.e. potassium
    chlorate and sulphur, or potassium chlorate and antimony sulphide, which,
    by by, was used during the civil war in land mines! Further, although
    Armstrong's mixture and the "red explosive" can be compounded "safely"
    when wetted, what are you going to do with them when they have dried
    out??

    Although the word "detonation" is commonly used in connection with
    pyrotechnics, the only comp that has been tested and found to produce
    true detonation is potassium chlorate and sulphur. However, it is my firm
    belief that if Armstrong's mixture were to be tested, it too would be
    found capable of detonating.

    Other than toy caps and such, the only modern use for Armstrong's mixture
    I have been able to locate are three US Patents (4,372,210, 4,191,947,
    4,130,082) describing intrusion alarm systems using the radiant output
    from MAGICUBE flash lamps to initiate a quantity of Armstrong's mixture
    or SUPER BANG CAPS (potassium chlorate, red phosphorus, manganese
    dioxide, sand and glue) to produce an audible alarm.

    Finally, A Thought for Today: There are old pyro's and there are bold
    pyro's, but there are no old unlucky pyro's!

    HELP WANTED
    Even the WiZ does not know all (yet). Who, if any one, knows who
    Armstrong was, and/or how his name came to be associated with the
    combination of potassium chlorate and red phosphorous? WiZ

    ---------------------------------
    HE DO NOW!

    "Sir Williams Armstrong's explosive mixture for shells contains amorphous
    phosphorus and chlorate of potash."

    Rudolf Wagner "A Handbook of Chemical Technology" D. Appleton and Company, New
    York 1872.
    Reprint by Lindsay Publications inc. pg. 546


    -----------
    Donald J Haarmann The WiZ

    Published in -
    The American Fireworks News #54 March 1986

    Armstrong's mixture redux.

    "Lasciate ogni speranza, voi chtentrate!"

    Two letters have been received detailing their writers' experience with
    this mixture. I have taken the liberty of editing them to protect the
    identities of the authors.

    "In the mid 1950's, the local 5&10 cent stores were selling for 10¢
    each, cap guns of tin plated steel, somewhat thinner than the tinplate in
    good cans, embossed to look somewhat like revolvers. All parts except the
    hinge or pivot pins and two springs were of tin plate. No paint was
    applied.

    "Caps were 1¢ a roll and had 50 shots per roll. They were narrower
    then common roll caps. The tissue cover readily pulled off, once
    carefully started, revealing reddish lumps (Armstrong's mixture?) about
    20% the mass of common roll caps of the day. These lumps could be scraped
    off using a razor blade or an Xacto knife and were considerably more
    friction sensitive than the American black cap mixture.

    "While watching late nite TV movies one summer, I amassed enough of this
    red mixture to fill a Jetex fuse tin (about 3/4 or possibly 1 tablespoon)
    [of mixture]. It was then ignited inside the tin via Jetex fuse through a
    hole in the lid. (Note minimal containment of charge.)

    "As an adult pyro, now with some considerable experience... it [was]
    absolutely THE MOST POTENT MIX I've ever played with."

    The second letter reads as follows:

    "I also have a copy of the Popular Science Book of Formulas. I leafed
    thru it this morning; the pages describing "Fireworks" were blackened
    with charcoal. - A' memories!

    "When I was 14 I worked in the local drug store. The owner, a pharmacist,
    would sell me anything and everything even acid and glycerin to make
    Nitro, which I never did. I also bought gelatin capsules, and made
    torpedoes. Some of the capsules were meant for animals, and were at least
    an inch long and 1/2 inch wide. God, were they loud when made with
    Armstrong's! I almost killed myself and gave it up."

    Jack Stutting of Advanced Pyrotronics, Greenville, Michigan has provided
    the following on the origins of this dreaded composition:

    "Sir William Armstrong, an engineer from Newcastle, England. Originally
    known for inventing types of hydraulic machinery and strengths of
    materials and applied the results to making several types of modern
    artillery. He was one of the first developers of rifled gun barrels and
    also developed several successful breech loading guns, (artillery). He
    was appointed to the post of Superintendent of the Royal Gun Factory in
    Woolwich. This first production guns went into the field in 18606L To
    work with this new designs in gunnery new propellants and primers for
    these propellants had to be developed. Among many compounds developed and
    tested the Armstrong's Mixture was one used quite often in priming the
    propellant charges for large guns. Many of his designs still influence
    the manufacture of modern artillery."

    [The Ordnance Manual of 1862, provides instruction for producing
    "friction primers for cannon" using "chlorate of potassa" and "sulphuret
    of antimony," however, there is no mention of phosphorus in the book.
    Wiz.]

    Dr. Ben Harriman of Florida, was kind enough to supply a copy of a letter
    received from Herbert Ellern (March 1976) in which he states: "Nobody
    seems to know who the 'Armstrong' was who first made the deadly mixture.
    I have no doubt that soon after the discovery of red P in 1844, its
    tremendous activity with oxidizing salts and some oxides such as PbO2 was
    discovered. The Wm. G. Armstrong (1810 1900) mentioned in the Britannica,
    an English engineer much engaged in ordnance, could have been it but he
    surely was no chemist."

    Ellern, Shimizu, and Tenney Davis have the following to say in their
    respective books:

    ELLERN
    "One combination of two solids exists in which a flaming or even
    explosive reaction may take place on merely pushing the powders toward
    each other or on exertion of very light pressure. This reaction occurs
    when the powdered components are completely dry and the fuel is not
    superficially oxidized. The two materials are red phosphorus and
    potassium chlorate and a demonstration of their reactivity should be
    performed only with a few milligrams of each component. When the
    phosphorus has been kept for some time in an ordinary reagent bottle, the
    spontaneity of the reaction may not be so obvious, but the final effect
    may be just as disastrous, as has been shown many times when high school
    students have appropriated and mixed together the two chemicals.

    "This reaction is undoubtedly the most fascinating, and perhaps
    theoretically the most interesting, solid reaction. It has been
    ingeniously tamed in the modern safety match.

    "Red phosphorus and chlorate can be mixed in comparative safety in the
    presence of a liquid vehicle, provided both reactants are thoroughly
    moistened by the vehicle before they come into contact. Using an aqueous
    binder solution, small dabs of such a mixture form the explosive
    ingredients of toy caps.

    "[The] phosphorus/chlorate/binder combination are at the borderline
    between spontaneous reaction and manageable, easily initiated, but stable
    systems of reactive fuels and oxidizers."

    SHIMIZU
    rates the sensitivity of "fundamental two component firework
    compositions" on a scale from 1, to 5 the most sensitive. The combination
    of potassium chlorate and red phosphorus rated 5; realgar and sulphur
    were rated 4; milk sugar 3; while aluminium and charcoal were both rated
    1.

    DAVIS
    "Toy caps are commonly made from red phosphorus and potassium chlorate, a
    combination of the many with which the pyrotechnist has to deal. THEIR
    PREPARATION OUGHT UNDER NO CONDITIONS TO BE ATTEMPTED BY AN
    AMATEUR.

    "Mixtures of potassium chlorate and red phosphorus explode from shock and
    from fire. They do burn in an orderly fashion as do black powder and
    most over pyrotechnic mixtures."

    Here in basement D of the Schloss Zaubuer a quick check of the arcane
    Bibliotheca WiZardae (perhaps the finest private collection of esoteric
    pyro publications and nudist magazines in the western world) has turned
    up seven US patents using either Armstrong's mixture or red phosphorus.
    [Exclusive of those designed primarily to produce smoke.]

    Charles Nelson's 1867 patent (65,764) for an "Improved toy torpedo and
    explosive compound", provides the following: "The explosive material
    which I prefer and have used successfully with my molded bodies is
    compounded of as follows: One third amorphous phosphorus, one third
    chlorate of posash, one sixth sulphur, one sixth pulverized chalk."
    Compared to modern formulae this 33%/33/17/17 combination is long
    phosphorus and short chlorate, perhaps to decrease sensitivity, or to in
    crease the amount of smoke.

    Issac Milband's patent number 157,856 of 1874, provides for a fulminate
    compound composed of red phosphorus, potassium chlorate and charcoal, for
    use in caps, primers and cartridges.

    Patent 592,227 of 1897 for a "Match and composition for same," used red
    phosphorus, potassium chlorate, antimony sulphide, charcoal, lead
    chromate, gum benoin, dextrine and gum sandarac!

    Charles Kalber's "Flashlight powder" patent number 2,098,341 makes
    references to his British patent, 419,658 in which is provided a
    detonation cap using a potassium chlorate, phosphorus mixture.

    USP number 2,122,488 of 1938, describes a "Blow out imitator and the
    method of packaging the same." Assigned to the Victory Fireworks and
    Specialty Co., the patent describes a device used to imitate the
    explosion of a tire blow out through the use of detonator in the form of
    a fireworks torpedo.

    "With this device one can safely plan an amusing trick by attaching the
    device to a tire of a friend's car. When the car is moved and the
    rotation of the wheel brings the detonator into engagement with the
    pavement it explodes with a loud bang which is a perfect imitation of a
    tire blow out.

    "It has been found that the explosive will detonate without fail and
    thereby create an amusing (?) situation and quite a joke upon the driver
    of the car when he gets out and looks in vain for the blown tire.

    "The explosive mixture is composed of red phosphorus and chlorate of
    potash with gum arable as a binder and when first placed in its carrier
    it is of liquid form and hardens into a cake or tablet. Continued setting
    of the explosive mixture results in its binder drying out to such an
    extent that handling the torpedo or any jar thereof will result in
    breaking down the cake or tablet so that the explosive assumes a granular
    form.

    "Ordinary toy torpedoes carry sand, pebbles, or some abrasive mixture in
    conjunction with the explosive mixture to cause the same to explode when
    struck. The present mixture however when it becomes of granular form,
    will explode readily by even a slight blow without the use of sand,
    pebbles or any abrasive mixture, with the result that the device is much
    safer in use as it eliminates the flying particles of sand or the like,
    which has always been incident upon the explosion of toy torpedoes as now
    manufactured and sold."

    A 1940 patent (2,194,480) for a "Noncorrosive priming composition,"
    substitutes barium nitrate for potassium chlorate, in the red phosphorus
    antimony sulphide mixture.

    Fumio Hosoya's patent of 1966, (3,233,544) describes a "Signalling
    Device" and more particularly an impact detonated, smoke or flame
    emitting device, ie., a torpedo. The "detonating material includes
    approximately 12 parts red lead, 1 part to which a bind ing agent is
    added." Here the composition is intended not to produce noise but
    sufficient heat to volatilize a smoke dye. The combination of red lead
    and (ferro)silicon is of course a thermate (Goldsmith's) type comp,


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    An explosion may be defined as a loud noise
    accompanied by the sudden going away of
    things from the places where they were before.
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    When the chemists say "wet the components of Armstrong's Compound down first, then mix them", do it, I mixed a lot of the stuff before hitting 18, (can't get in trouble if you aren't doing it, and still have all 4 fingers, 1 thumb, and 1 eye LOL) If I hadn't been wetting it down I'd be missing pieces.

    That Barium Nitrate mix does seem interesting, I wish I knew how long it would stay usable once loaded and if there are any problems etc.; Still thinking EPH20 may be better.

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    Traffer, thanks for posting those "stories". So far I have had no need to start making primers and I hope that it stays that way. I am too ignorant to take the risks, too lazy to do the work, and fortunately have planned well enough to have primers on hand.

    If anyone wants/needs Berdan cases send me a PM. I have sorted thought a bunch of .308 and .30/06 brass and just starting on .5.56. I was going to keep them for stuff like this but will buy primers even if they cost $100/k.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dverna View Post
    Traffer, thanks for posting those "stories". So far I have had no need to start making primers and I hope that it stays that way. I am too ignorant to take the risks, too lazy to do the work, and fortunately have planned well enough to have primers on hand.

    If anyone wants/needs Berdan cases send me a PM. I have sorted thought a bunch of .308 and .30/06 brass and just starting on .5.56. I was going to keep them for stuff like this but will buy primers even if they cost $100/k.
    Not being disrespectful, however, what will you do when no primers are to be had or someone breaks in and relieves you of your stash? I wanted to learn a new way to adapt for that reason.

    Even the removal of Berdan primers by hydraulic methods is getting easier with practice, usually one whack with a rubber mallet does the trick. I hate scrapping brass that are perfectly good candidates for reloading.

    Being retired makes for extra time to learn and appreciate these things. Makes each shot just a little more special to know that not only can I cast my own boolits but can reload the primer also. Knowledge is nice but doesn't replace experience. Perhaps one day I'll get into making my own powder.

    Local GS has primers for $100 per thousand, I left them there. They may come down in price but if they don't, I know what I have learned can help put food on the table or defend my home and family.

    Slim
    JUST GOTTA LOVE THIS JOINT.

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    I had posted about how I do my reloading of all primers and caps for my side hammer. Yes I use cap gun primers ,I do not take the cap apart and in some of the primers I load I also use FFF or FFFF black powder as a booster . Just to give some ideas and I have tested and use them all.
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Abbreviations used in Reloading

BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check