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    BT Sniper is a CH4D dealer, and as such gets a discount, which he passes along to CB members.

    So, send him a PM (he's almost caught up on answering his PM's), and tell him of your wishes, and I'm sure he'll be happy to help you out with the discounted price. Best if you do it when he can combine your purchase with others.

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    Grumpa - These are great photos and descriptions!

    BT - Where can I purchase the cannelure tool that you mentioned above for $66+?


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    Just gonna do this one time for the ones that missed it.
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    Another bump. yeah I know.
    Click to see what I'm doing and have available, this takes you to the VS (Vendor Sponsor) section of the site. Currently..25Rem,30Rem, 32Rem, 35Rem, 257Roberts, 358Win, 338Fed, 357 Herrett, 30 Herrett, 401 Winchester, 300Sav, 221 Fireball, 260Rem, 222Rem, 250 Savage, 8mm Mauser (AKA 8x57), 25-20WCF

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    Bump for all of us that got our dies this week, and request for sticky since it's more of a tutorial

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    Here is some step by step pics I put together for Grumpa's set. The only difference between his and the last 6 sets I sent out is he got the Airsoft BB tip option and you guys got the "Nosler" style HP.

    Here is a copy of a post that I posted in my BTSniper sticky.

    Good shooting

    I'm working on some simple to understand pics in the formation of 45 cal bullets from 40 S&W brass. I'll elaborate a bit more latter but here is a few pics for now.

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    Step 1 Expand the fully annealed 40S&W brass to a diameter of about .445. I offer expanding mandrels for use in my universal die for this task.
    Step 2 Seat a 158 grain .358 cast boolit core using the flat internial punch in the core seat die and the .425 base punch.






    Step 3 Switch the flat internial punch of the core seat die to the cone shape and switch the base punch from the .425 to the .445. Then take the seated core from step 2 and run back into the core seat die to displace the lead core to form a cone.






    Step 4 Drop an 8mm Airsoft BB and procede to notch the top of the jacket.






    Step 5 Form bullet in swage die.






    Cross section shows construction. The BB will 100% fill the HP cavity. The slight void you see was only caused from me melting the BB slightly in the cutting process of sectioning the bullet in half.






    To form a more traditional JHP 230 grain .451 bullet use same process, just skip the cone shape punch and use of BB

    1. Start with 40 S&W case trimed to .730
    2. expand trimmed case to .445
    3. Seat core using flat internial punch and .425 base punch
    4. notch jacket
    5. form bullet using HP punch in the Swage die


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    it goes without sayin but i am gonna say it any way's.

    the 45 set can be used to make a 240-250 gr 45 colt/454 casull bullet also.
    just by using a 175-180 gr core and not trimming the case.
    i would also advise an annealing step either before or after the expanding mandrel or maybe even both.

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    I was going to mention the annealing of the brass to BT earlier but figured he was more than likely short on time, not to mention I have that in Post #1. But annealing is a rather important step.
    Click to see what I'm doing and have available, this takes you to the VS (Vendor Sponsor) section of the site. Currently..25Rem,30Rem, 32Rem, 35Rem, 257Roberts, 358Win, 338Fed, 357 Herrett, 30 Herrett, 401 Winchester, 300Sav, 221 Fireball, 260Rem, 222Rem, 250 Savage, 8mm Mauser (AKA 8x57), 25-20WCF

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    Yes yes yes!!! I knew the tons of 40cal cases I have could be put to use, and here I was afraid I would have to buy an auto loader in 40s&w.

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    you could just send it to me.....

    no seriously.

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    I finally got around to mounting my Harbor Freight cut off saw for trimming the .40 brass.

    I took the rotary cutter assembly off the RCBS Pro Trim (easy to do, one hex head screw. Easy to put back on when I need to. It wasn't really in the way, but I decided that I wanted to run my setup a bit different than BT Sniper does.

    I mounted the trimmer to a piece of 1" particle board from an old shelf.

    I then mounted the saw to a piece of 2X4, and mounted that in turn to another piece of 2X4.

    It took some tweaking to get the cut length right, and I may have to play with it a bit once I get to actually running production (soon). Just wanted you guys to see how I did the trimming:
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    Looks good! Simple! Just what I do. Use a bit of boolit lube or swage lube on the blade every once in a while and it will make short work of your trimming.

    Good shooting and Swage On!

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    Update....

    I was seeing some "Glock" type bulges on some of the raw .40 brass. I was seeing that it was affecting the resultant length after forming the bullets.

    As a test, I ran some brass through a Lee .40 sizing die, with the knockout pin removed. That removed the bulge, and the slight work hardening of the brass seemed to assist in the cutting operation. I get cleaner cuts (less burr) and the small stub at the end of the cut was a lot less.

    The cut length reported in several places seems to vary. The BT instructions suggest .725. Here in the forum, I am seeing .700, .735, .730...
    What are people cutting them to?

    I'm at .725 right now.


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    .725 will be just fine.

    I'll taylor your point form die to accomidate your exact length with perfect results.

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    Well, as you know, I am striving for the perfect side by side clone of a Hornady XTP, which I sent you a sample of. I don't know yet what length that requires. It may require some tweaking. I'm working on prepping some jackets and stuffing some cores inside, but don't want to get too far ahead without a point form die on hand.


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    I'll have the first new BTSniper 45 cal point form die machined probably first of next week. I have the reamer allready. It will have the smaller .250 meplat and should allow for better feeding in the semi autos.

    I'll be able to alter the size of the HP to allow the perfect formation with your .725 jacket length. I'll let you know as soon as I can.


    p.s. I too "used" to try to clone the Hornday xtps, before long you will compare the commercial bullets to our home swaged rather then the other way around ie. WOW! those Hornady XTPs allmost look as good as my (your) BTSniper swaged bullets

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    Don't forget... I also want to hit the weight of the XTP.

    And, yes..... I already say that (The Hornady's look almost as good as my BT Sniper bullets) about my 40's, 44's and 224's

    And, hope to also be able to say the same about my 500's.


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    GUYS!!!! We need to make this Thread into a sticky, how do we go about it?
    Click to see what I'm doing and have available, this takes you to the VS (Vendor Sponsor) section of the site. Currently..25Rem,30Rem, 32Rem, 35Rem, 257Roberts, 358Win, 338Fed, 357 Herrett, 30 Herrett, 401 Winchester, 300Sav, 221 Fireball, 260Rem, 222Rem, 250 Savage, 8mm Mauser (AKA 8x57), 25-20WCF

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    We can just beg one pf the friendly mos we know. I'll take care of it with Andy.

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    GUYS!!!! We need to make this Thread into a sticky, how do we go about it?


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    How do I go about getting a set to make these?

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