Newbie - Spit Substitutes ? Lubing after dry ? and Sizing afterwards ?

[montana_charlie]

PS - Lead Pot...I sure would like to see how big an indentation a 50 cal lead ball,
dropped 36 inches, makes in your Lube Cookie Mix that you can squeeze as you described !

I think Kurt is fond of tallow for making lubes.
When dropping a .58" lead roundball from three feet up, I have a feeling Kurt's lube is more likely to splash than indent.

CM

[DoctorBill]

Please Note - This thread is about a 577/450 Martini-Henry "Zulu Special" - please note

Now that would be soft !

Speaking of Tallow - I have a one gallon pail of LARD, to mix with bird seed in the winter.
It is labeled MANTECA also.....Soft but does not flow....

Wouldn't LARD be almost the same thing, as regards Lube Cookies, as Tallow ?

DoctorBill

[Lead pot]

No MC, I dont use lard. The Tallow I make is as hard as SPG.

[DoctorBill]

Please Note - This thread is about a 577/450 Martini-Henry "Zulu Special" - please note


Lead Pot - is your Lube Cookie recipe (formula) a secret ?

Where do you obtain Tallow from ?

Beef Tallow or Mutton Tallow (America or Australia) ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tallow

Is there something wrong with Lard other than it is taboo in certain religions ?
I am the one who asked, not MC.

Rendered Beef or Mutton fat is "Tallow", whilst rendered Pig Fat is Lard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lard

Odd....what is the difference - all are triglycerides. Contaminants ?

DoctorBill

[Lead pot]

DB.

No I don't mind giving out my way of doing things.

I make my tallow mostly from the Deer I harvest every year.
A lot of people don't know the difference between tallow and lard. You can get lard from the grease left after frying out your bacon or skimming the surface when you cook pork sausage when we used to butcher a few pigs every fall or boil out the Goose fat to make lard. Lard is like Crisco you can spread it like butter.
You can make tallow from lard that will be as hard as a candle. My Mother and Grand Mother used to render the suet (fat trimming) to make tallow or make soap when I was very young and that is the way I make my tallow I just dont add the salt or wood ash.
It takes a whole day to render out the suet for the first step and the way I do it it takes three days to get the quality I want and nothing needs to be added for bullet lube except maybe a little oil of choice to make it thin enough to use in a lube sizer or pan lube .
For the last 2-3 years I been using Ozokerite Wax and it is working good but it does not work as well as my Tallow mix did.

Lp.

[montana_charlie]

I think Kurt is fond of tallow for making lubes.

No MC, I dont use lard.

If you can't keep up, take notes. I never mentioned lard ...

CM

[Lead pot]

MC.

You said my lube will most likely splash, tallow will not splash.

[montana_charlie]

I must admit to some degree of ignorance concerning tallow ... but I was picturing the impact of a dropped bullet on a lube which had originally been checked for firmness using this for scale.
"When I mix my lube I use for a lube wad I judge the temper by cutting a wad with the case I use it in and put the wad between my fingers and squeeze it. I want it to squish out with ease"

CM

[Baron von Trollwhack]

There are a great many posts on the various forums here about rendering animal fats into rendered tallow, lard. Some of us know of the old country methods, others ask about bacon grease (HA !) and all kinds of exotic rendering schemes. Try searching in M/L and Lubes. Mutton fat rendered into tallow, for example was noted for its noticeably greater adhesion as a lube. It was more sticky.

BvT

[RMulhern]

Groan!!

[Lead pot]

Groan!!

Hey you old fart, what are you groaning about now??

When are we going hunting?

[RMulhern]

Hey you old fart, what are you groaning about now??

When are we going hunting?

Groaning?? Oh...maybe this:

"glue" or "adhesive"!!!!!

Whitetail doesn't open here for rifle until November....bout the same time as in Kansas! We've moved out of Missouri over the past year!

Don't give a frick or not if I tag out....as long as I can sit with one of the grandkids and watch them poke a hole in a nice buck.....will make the season for me!

Just finished cleaning out my melting pot so I can throw in some 40-1 stuff! I've always used either 1-16 or 1-20 for PP so I wanted to try this and see what's gonna take place. Got a 100# from Walters in about two days back! Cooled off down here and I have really enjoyed getting to shoot more!

Have ya stuck anything with that gizmo you call a bow yet??

[Don McDowell]

" old fart," sorta like the pot callin the kettle black

[Lead pot]

Been to warm Rick. They sure are hitting the Chest nuts hard they are getting them faster then I can pick them up. Got the grass worn down to the dirt in the orchard.

[Lead pot]

" old fart," sorta like the pot callin the kettle black

Yup

[Chicken Thief]

Why do you need to "glue" the paper to the boolit?
Are you using thick paper?
What about just using glue on the final 1/16" of the paper? That way the rifling will "cut" the patch and make it fly off at firing.

Varying boolit weight and BC because of uneven shredding of the patch is only going to give you a "shotgun" pattern.

My paper is .00165" i wet it and roll, then twist the bottom and stand it up drying:

[DoctorBill]

Please Note - This thread is about a 577/450 Martini-Henry "Zulu Special" - please note

I am just starting out with Paper Patching and BPCB's. Martini-Henry Mark II.

I rolled some PP's and when I looked back several hours later they were coming
unwrapped - the paper was unwinding off the Bullet.

Let me pose the reverse question to all of you.

Have any of you ever recovered a bullet at the end of the range still wrapped in paper ?

Not trying to be a wise off, but some say that you want the Paper to peel off
as the bullet emerges from the barrel.

Does it ever not do that somewhere down range ?

Being a natural skeptic, I want some proof that I need to worry about the patch
not separating from the bullet.

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Idea came to mind - anyone ever tried soap on the paper ?
Let a leftover soap bar sliver set in water - you get the most slippery stuff imaginable -
yet sticky too.

Soap is alkaline - just the stuff to neutralize acidic BP residue....(?)
It is not hygroscopic since soap bars dry out setting by the sink.
It is a fatty acid - that is - a long chain hydrocarbon - a fat.

DoctorBill

[Baron von Trollwhack]

How comes the ones I patch never unwrap themselves spontaneously while drying? I use plain water, 100% cotton or rag bond of quality, patch by hand, usually two wraps, and use both folded or twisted tails. All are GG, some are sized after patching. No, I never find evidence of patching in the butts, only occasionally find a shed shred, as if it were a M/L patch, out in front of the muzzle somewhere.

Nothing exotic except hand rolled and stretched patches carefully applied, well wetted, that shrink and stay put. Culls are made while still wet.Bullets usually sized as needed to attain finished patched diameter before patching with minimum traces of lube to get them through the sizer smoothly. Wet ones go nose down in a used cartridge tray to dry.

Worry about the gwangzhou space station being secretly pre-programmed to fall on a western city when its usefulness is over, not about the PP coming asunder after launch. Unless of course you use exotic new chemicals instead of water, or lube with panneling glue, or china mucilage.

BvT

[DoctorBill]

Please Note - This thread is about a 577/450 Martini-Henry "Zulu Special" - please note



"How comes the ones I patch never unwrap themselves spontaneously while drying?"

Do you think that if I knew that, I would be asking the question ?

I don't have 100% cotton or rag paper. Does everyone use that ?

I think I should stop doing this Forum thing.

DoctorBill

[Don McDowell]

Patches coming unwound before you get them loaded is part of the game, you need to figure out how to minimalize that problem, by either drying the patched bullet , or by setting the patched bullet into a bullet tray ( ask your med professional for their test tube holding trays)
No you don't need 100% rag paper but it does seem to work the best for me.
Just plain water on the patch is sufficient, no need for all manner of alchemy to further aggrevate the problems of using patched bullets.Learn to roll the paper tight and forget about the glue...
If the patch isn't coming off at the muzzle as the bullet exits , there's a problem somewhere. It is possible tho from time to time to find a hollowbased bullet with the paper stuck in the base.
And never loose sight of the fact that if this paper patching business was easy it never would of become long forgotten obscolete technology.