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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleBuck View Post
    Vettepilot;
    I just sent you a message about your wood.

    QUOTE=GrayTech;5310200]Nearly choked on my dinner laughing at that one. Wasn't immediately obvious you were referring to a stock as the thread opened on that post. [/QUOTE]

    Ha!! And I entirely missed the innuendo, or I would have replied, "I've got wood here!"

    Tee hee...

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    Quote Originally Posted by maillemaker View Post
    Alternative to what?

    Basically there are 2 methods:

    1) Mix your ingredients (charcoal, sulfur, KNO3) with a binder like Dextrin or Red Gum (depending on your wetting agent, water or alcohol) and press through a screen. Makes serviceable but low-density powder. This is usually called "screened powder"

    2) Corned powder made with a hydraulic press instead of a binder. This more closely replicates commercial black powder.

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    Maybe alternative was the wrong word. It may have been a focused summation of the thread.

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    I really think someone ought to type up a good summation of this thread thus far, and they should make it a sticky!!

    There's a veritable wealth of info here that's hard to find in one place. (Actually, it's hard to find here too, in this giant thread; if you haven't been following along.)

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    I may have to use silver maple as the leaves are off and identifying willow or red alder in the wild would be difficult. There are a ton of alder swamps in my AO but I do not know if it is a suitable type. And being that the charcoal is so critical I want to get it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrayTech View Post
    Nearly choked on my dinner laughing at that one. Wasn't immediately obvious you were referring to a stock as the thread opened on that post.
    I thought about that when I wrote it, but figured no one would pay attention to it. haha. I've got wood and he needed it. haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmic_Charlie View Post
    I may have to use silver maple as the leaves are off and identifying willow or red alder in the wild would be difficult. There are a ton of alder swamps in my AO but I do not know if it is a suitable type. And being that the charcoal is so critical I want to get it right.
    Charlie;
    I don't know which ones are, either. I've read there is not much of the Alder Buckthorn in the U.S., but there is supposed to be some. And, I'm reading it is considered an invasive species. So if you do find it, you may be able to get all you need, just for asking.
    Your Maple's are some high rated woods, in some of the tests I've read.
    As far as willow goes, about 90% of the wood growing around ponds and streams, about anywhere in the U.S. is usually one of the hundred types of willow. Black seems to be a favorite, but you may have to compare pictures, or get someone to point it out for you.
    Another wood that is highly rated is Eastern Red Cedar.
    If you get desperate, I can send you Eastern Red Cedar, Black Willow or a couple of others. Shipping is rather high, but I've done it for a couple of guys on this thread.
    Supposedly, the South had good luck in the Civil War, with Cottonwood.
    I've heard Red Cedar Shingles work excellent for charcoal.
    My personal favorite so far is Sassafras, but we're still doing some testing with it, to determine how it stacks up on Black Willow, which performed 3rd best for me personally so far, but has been other people's favorite, of all.
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    You DoubleBuck, are a "Gentleman and a Scholar" as they used to say. A truly helpful and kind person I believe. My hat's off to you!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleBuck View Post
    Charlie;
    I don't know which ones are, either. I've read there is not much of the Alder Buckthorn in the U.S., but there is supposed to be some. And, I'm reading it is considered an invasive species. So if you do find it, you may be able to get all you need, just for asking.
    Your Maple's are some high rated woods, in some of the tests I've read.
    As far as willow goes, about 90% of the wood growing around ponds and streams, about anywhere in the U.S. is usually one of the hundred types of willow. Black seems to be a favorite, but you may have to compare pictures, or get someone to point it out for you.
    Another wood that is highly rated is Eastern Red Cedar.
    If you get desperate, I can send you Eastern Red Cedar, Black Willow or a couple of others. Shipping is rather high, but I've done it for a couple of guys on this thread.
    Supposedly, the South had good luck in the Civil War, with Cottonwood.
    I've heard Red Cedar Shingles work excellent for charcoal.
    My personal favorite so far is Sassafras, but we're still doing some testing with it, to determine how it stacks up on Black Willow, which performed 3rd best for me personally so far, but has been other people's favorite, of all.
    If I can be of assistance to you, give a scream, and I'll do my best! Good luck, which ever way you go.
    Doesn't Goex use Maple?

    I'm sorry that I can't (yet) quote chrono numbers, but I'm very happy so far with the Red Cedar pet bedding chips from Walmart that I've been using. Very fast and very clean burning powder.

    I had read it worked well from numerous sources, and am very glad I tried it. A big bag that will make several pounds (6 to 8?) of powder costs only 4 bucks! Try it.

    Edit to Add:

    One thing to add about Buckthorn. Historically, there has been confusion about the name, and identity/identification of the tree. My understanding is that the correct Buckthorn to use is the one that produces berries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vettepilot View Post
    Doesn't Goex use Maple?

    I'm sorry that I can't (yet) quote chrono numbers, but I'm very happy so far with the Red Cedar pet bedding chips from Walmart that I've been using. Very fast and very clean burning powder.

    I had read it worked well from numerous sources, and am very glad I tried it. A big bag that will make several pounds (6 to 8?) of powder costs only 4 bucks! Try it.

    Edit to Add:

    One thing to add about Buckthorn. Historically, there has been confusion about the name, and identity/identification of the tree. My understanding is that the correct Buckthorn to use is the one that produces berries.

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    That bedding must be somewhat easier to process than sticks. Thank you for the tip.

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    The bedding is easier to process.
    But I found that screening it first thru a 1/4" screen is of a big help.
    You separate a lot of the tiny prices that would cook or burn into extra Ash.
    It isn't critical , but it helps.
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    Yes, it cooks up great, and fast! By the time my Dutch Oven setup hits 550 degrees, it's already done. About 40 minutes from cold start to shut-down. I would say, for size comparison, my Dutch Oven is approximately 1.5 times the volume of the commonly used gallon paint can retort.

    Edit to add:
    It grinds up super easy as well. No breaking it up, etc. I just mill mine in a little coffee grinder for a short time, then weigh and chuck into the ball mill with the other ingredients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGS View Post
    The bedding is easier to process.
    But I found that screening it first three a 1/4" screen is of a big help.
    You separate a lot of the tiny prices that would cook or burn into extra Ash.
    It isn't critical , but it helps.
    Hmmm... interesting. I hadn't thought of that. You know, I had a bag of Alder smoking chips that I made powder out of that didn't turn out so well. It was an old bag that had been handled and knocked around a lot, that I bought at a yard sale. It got more rough handling around here. One day I re-discovered it lying in my goodie closet, and went ahead and processed it. It had a lot of fines in it. Maybe that's why it didn't make the greatest powder?

    Of course, at that time, I didn't understand about the apparent confusion concerning the various Alders that exist, and have no idea which flavor this was. Apparently, as I stated above, you want the "berry producing" Alder for good results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vettepilot View Post
    I'm very happy so far with the Red Cedar pet bedding chips from Walmart that I've been using. Very fast and very clean burning powder.

    I had read it worked well from numerous sources, and am very glad I tried it. A big bag that will make several pounds (6 to 8?) of powder costs only 4 bucks! Try it.
    I keep seeing this pet bedding mentioned and I'm kind of getting tempted to try it, but then I think I'm quite happy with the results I'm getting using the cedar fence pickets and I'm one of those if it 'ain't broke don't fix it guys. But I'll never say never.

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    Thank you Vettepilot.
    That narrows down the area I need to visit to find those trees.
    Now I just have to find the time to get up there.

    I came up with the idea of using the 1/4" screen to separate the finer material out of chipped up wood , because remember.
    I tried using a garden chipper to chip up some wood.
    It came out really finely chipped up.
    So screening was my only option.
    But the finely chipped stuff still worked in my barbeque smoker.
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    I hope I can find some of that Tree Of Heaven, one day. I have feelers out, for it. Lots of guys say it's the real deal. I'll stumble on to some, one day. The Alder Buckthorn I've about gave up on.

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    A bit off topic here guys, but I thought some of you might be interested in this. I read a ton, and this is an excerpt from an article I was reading in Handloader magazine:

    --Triple 7--
    "Chemically, the major elements of Triple Seven are 10 percent charcoal, 10 percent sodium benzoate, 30 percent potassium nitrate, 30 percent potassium perchlorate, 10 percent dicyanamide and 10 percent dextrin. Other elements of Triple Seven are proprietary information. The autoignition temperature of Triple Seven is 770 degrees Fahrenheit. Of special note is that it has been incorrectly stated in a number of instances in other shooting publications, in print and on the internet (Wikipedia), that Triple Seven uses gluconic acid (glucose or sugar-based) as the principal fuel source for the propellant. This is incorrect. Charcoal, as noted in the chemical composition above, is the principal fuel source for Triple Seven."

    Interesting, and that 10% Dextrin sure doesn't seem to hurt Triple 7 any! Heh?

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    No wonder the stuff is rather corrosive, with the perchlorate in it. I'll stick to the real stuff.

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