'06 LC Match brass

[Marlin Junky]

I wasn't sure where to post this question, so here goes:

Can anyone tell me how the volume of Hi-Tech's 30-06 - LC Match Virgin - Unfired brass compares to Remington brass? I think I want to make .35 Whelen cases out of this stuff.

MJ

[felix]

MJ, what are you looking for? Quality or volume? ... felix

[Marlin Junky]

Felix,

Both.

MJ

[felix]

Get the cheapest, then, and hope for the best. All brass is lot dependent. You really have to pay for quality control. If you only want a hundered cases, you can afford the quality control up front. If you want a 1000 cases, then order a 1000 and take the best 500 by shooting trials. ... felix

[NickSS]

I loaded a lot of LC match brass over they years and it is good brass. I do not know what volumn in has but I would say that it probably is a little less than commercial brass. Generally it lasts longer than Remington brass especially in an M1. I shot it mostly in a Model 70 match rifle when I was competing in high power matches. Eventually (after three rebarrels) I went to 308 for that rifle. However, I found that the 308 did not do as well at 1000 yards as the old 06 round so bought a second model 70 in 30-06 just for 1000 yard matches.

[Marlin Junky]

If anyone out there can weigh a few 30-06 - LC Match cases and post their results I'll compare it to the weight of my R-P Whelen brass. Better yet, how many grains (filled to the base of the neck) of H380 (or H414 or W760) can you get in your 30-06 - LC Match cases?

MJ

[MT Gianni]

LC I don't recall if its 68 or 69 vs R&P 35 whelen.
RP35 W Unfired [no fired available] Gr of 4895 full to neck fol;lowed by oal
RP 64.5 gr Oal 2.495"
LC Blown out to 35 W 65.3 gr Oal 2.475"
LC 06 unfired 62.2 gr Oal 2.490
As you can see I use this in my Whelen. I have not shot it enough to reccommend a load and it is still on the project end of the safe. I expect the Rp to have a slightly greater capacity after firing and the neck difference is there. The Saeco 352 chambers just under the lands and the check is in the neck on these. A&B [Midway] barrel, 98 Mauser action. Gianni

[Marlin Junky]

MT Gianni,

Are those capacities all in terms of grains of 4895? I just measured the capacity of a R-P Whelen case (neck-sized cases after forming) in terms of grains of DP85 (supposedly just like Ramshot Hunter) and the capacity came to 62.5 grains, about 0.4" from the mouth.

MJ

[No_1]

What is this Hi-tech? Is there a web site?
Thanks,
Robert

Can anyone tell me how the volume of Hi-Tech's 30-06 - LC Match Virgin - Unfired brass compares to Remington brass?
MJ

[MT Gianni]

Marlin Junky, Yup it was what was on the bench.

[MT Gianni]

No 1, go to the bottom of the page and click in on Castpic's, follow it to links and go to powders. Click on Hi-Tech and look under Brass. Gianni

[Powderface]

Hi

I just weighed 5 out of my box of a 1000.

1 @ 193.6
1 @ 193.3
1 @ 193
1 @ 192.6
1 @ 192

I hope this helps

Mike

[ron brooks]

Would it be benefical to get , say 1000 cases, weigh them all and say get all the 193 grain cases and use just that one weight of case, plus or minus .1 grain for your match loads or am I over complicating things?

Thanks,

Ron

[No_1]

thanks buddy!

Robert

No 1, go to the bottom of the page and click in on Castpic's, follow it to links and go to powders. Click on Hi-Tech and look under Brass. Gianni

[felix]

Weight is only one consideration. The most important factor for match accuracy is wall thickness all the way down each case. It must be the same incrementally on a per case basis. Hence, the word quality control. In other words, if it were possible to fully expand the case from the inside, the outside would be perfectly smooth and not have any runout. The only way to find this out, and have fun doing so, would be to shoot each case with a previous load found good for a sample of cases. Pick all the ones that center into the POI. Re-do the same with the selected cases all over again. Repeat until you have the number of cases that you consider you will ever need. Ebay the remainders. ... felix

[ron brooks]

Felix,

Follow you on wall thickness and getting rid of the ones that don't make the grade.

Thanks,

Ron

[Larry Gibson]

Would it be benefical to get , say 1000 cases, weigh them all and say get all the 193 grain cases and use just that one weight of case, plus or minus .1 grain for your match loads or am I over complicating things?

Thanks,

Ron

Yes that is over complicating it. You woulod have to also clean all the cases, FL size them, trim them to same overall length, deburr the flash holes; all before you weighed them. Then if did something like turn the necks it's a whole new game. And also consider that as you fire them and have to trim they will not stretch thesame and the weights will be different again. If you just neck size you won't have this problem though. Really, unless you have a benchrest rifle you will never see a result from those finer details. I gave up weighing cases years ago after many tests that proved I was wasting my time. Benifits come from using a single lot of cases and uniforming them.

Larry Gibson

[felix]

Yes, Larry, for non-BR guns pick the ones that shoot into the group, and forget fine tuning the cases. Too much labor for no measurable increase in performance. ... felix

[Phil]

I used to shoot cleans with very high X counts, prone at 1000 yards. Never weighed a case in my life, used regular WW 338 mag brass necked to 30 in the magnum and LC match brass in the 30-06 and had virtually no problems with unexplained shots with any of it. I've also used regular WW 30-06 brass with no problems. If I were COMPETITIVE in BR it may be a different matter but since don't shoot any competition at all any more I'm not going to worry about it. Relax and enjoy shooting, don't over complicate it with a bunch of stuff that isn't going to make any difference anyhow. Thats my story and I'm sticking with it.

Cheers,

Phil

[Marlin Junky]

What's the best way to form a Whelen case from a '06 LC Match case and how much length do you loose in doing so? I found a few '72 LC Match cases in my stash and when comparing them to some R-P .35 Whelen brass I found the former weighed about 3 grains less than the latter and held a little more H380 to the shoulder. The LC brass was on the short side though at 2.48".

MJ

P.S. Or, should I just run the LC '06 brass through a Whelen sizing die and fire-form with some .357 boolits? I don't have my reloading dies yet and was thinking about a set of Lee Pacesetter dies for the Whelen.