I bought a box of old molds today. Most I cannot find any info on:
308243-87 8 gang IDEAL
321232 IDEAL
360302 IDEAL
351319 IDEAL
454319 "B&M IRON"
451112 IDEAL
533476 IDEAL
32-165 Winchester
45-70 330 HP Winchester with HP pin
Anyone know anything about the IDEAL numbers? Winchester stuff is self explanatory. Also a neat B&M push thrh sizer marked "45 COLT", that mounts solid to a work top. Thanks, moodyholler
WTB single shots.
Look under cast pics at the bottom of the page. Open the mold reference box on the left side. Look under Lyman molds.
Whats the 351319 look like?
RN with 2 lube grooves
WTB single shots.
308243 or 308234?
I'd bet the 351319 is just a 350319 for the Lyman #1 says is for the 35 Win self loading.
The 360302 is most likely the 358302 Himmelwright wadcutter.
Lyman 22596,225107,225353,225438,225415,225450,225646, 225462,228367,244203,245496,245497,245498,245499 RCBS 22-55-SP,22-55-FP,243-95-SP,243-100-FP, NEI 100244GC-#14, 55 224 GC-#4,225 45-#3 PB, NOE 22-055 SP,MX2-243,Saeco 221 & 243, RD TLC225-50-RF,Lee 22 Bator 6c & 2c HP. Love casting small boolits, let me know if you have one that I don't that you would part with!
321232 is a 32 Win Special plain base mold. 170 grn
451112 was a mold for the .45 sharps, came in different weights.
533476 is a 54 minie ball mold. 410 grn.
Can't find a reference for the 454319.
Last edited by BCall; 12-21-2010 at 10:43 PM.
Lyman 22596,225107,225353,225438,225415,225450,225646, 225462,228367,244203,245496,245497,245498,245499 RCBS 22-55-SP,22-55-FP,243-95-SP,243-100-FP, NEI 100244GC-#14, 55 224 GC-#4,225 45-#3 PB, NOE 22-055 SP,MX2-243,Saeco 221 & 243, RD TLC225-50-RF,Lee 22 Bator 6c & 2c HP. Love casting small boolits, let me know if you have one that I don't that you would part with!
308243-87 on the Armoury mold
451112 has 6 lube grooves and is 1.3" long
Thanks, moodyholler
WTB single shots.
Probably 485 gr on the 451112 then.
Lyman 22596,225107,225353,225438,225415,225450,225646, 225462,228367,244203,245496,245497,245498,245499 RCBS 22-55-SP,22-55-FP,243-95-SP,243-100-FP, NEI 100244GC-#14, 55 224 GC-#4,225 45-#3 PB, NOE 22-055 SP,MX2-243,Saeco 221 & 243, RD TLC225-50-RF,Lee 22 Bator 6c & 2c HP. Love casting small boolits, let me know if you have one that I don't that you would part with!
I show 308245 87 grains(maybe miss read 5 as 3, 321232 170 gr pb 32wspcl, 360302-s 112 grs A Himmel-wright, 451112 45 Sharp, Bailey275 to 485 gr, 533476 410 gr 54 minnieOriginally Posted by moodyholler
Charter Member #148
I found these...
On the left..321232
Center........451112
Right...........533476
John D
NRA Endowment Member
Moody,
Floodgate is our resident expert on ideal. I have his compilation of tables and will have a look in them. He may be here sooner than I can have a look. Or you can send him a PM. Also drop on over to the ARTCA forum and signup, the forum is now open to non members.
Send me a pm with email and I will get you some info on the Belding and Mull mould.
For reference the B&M moulds were suspended from production in 1953. There were various means of mould numbering through the range of production. In 1925 they started using the bullet size (first 3 numbers) followed by bullet wight (2 or 3 numbers), B&M and the type of material used for the mould. I.e. 311168 B&M Nickel is a 311 diameter 168 grain B&M Nickel mould block. Earlier moulds only have diameter and bullet weight, i.e. 311-168. some may have diameter-bullet weight-material, i.e. 311-168-Iron
There is a whole host of marking variations. There is a resident expert on the B&M moulds at ARTCA also, some of the above info cam form him and some came form items loaned to me by him.
How is that for clearing things up. Also they only have venting on blocks if it was found to be necessary when they were made.
Jeremy
Last edited by scrapcan; 12-22-2010 at 12:47 PM.
an excellent reference for ideal /lyman moulds follows, this looks like the pictures that John D posted are similar at the following website.
http://www.three-peaks.net/bullet_molds.htm
Floodgate's work is very comprehensive and will relay the intro and discontinue date in the known literature.
manleyjt, I haven't seen floodgate here for quite a while. Is he back now?
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Jim,
He frequents the place, but has kept a low key. He will answer PMs. You will likely find him on the ARTCA forum. I urge you to come over there also if you have not been there already, it has been a few days since I was over there.
The political overtones that sometimes get into the threads are a downer and it took quite a toll on some of us for a while, Floodgate opts to not get involved discussions. More of us should probably do the same, I know I feel a lot better when I stay out of those things.
ARTCA forum????
“an armed society is a polite society.”
Robert A. Heinlein
"Idque apud imperitos humanitas vocabatur, cum pars servitutis esset."
Publius Tacitus
Antique Reloading Tool Collector's Association, IIRC. Also known as "the competition" for those that like the old, discontinued, unavailable molds to USE.
Rick
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I would be interested in buying your 351319 mold if it is for sale.
Tom
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Thread is 14 months + old Tom.
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and i already called dibbs on it.
but never got it.
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