.38 S&W Victory Model loads (160 SWC Hollow Points)
Sometime in the last Year I acquired a few S&W Victory Models and one S&W M&P made about 2 months before start of Victory Model SNs. This one has had a 2.5 inch barrel mounted and a .38 S&W Cylinder that has been reamed out to .38 Spec. Another has had a Parker Hale rework that had a 4 Inch barrel with a Long Ramp Sight Mounted. The third is an untouched 5 inch. I am about to embark on a quest to see if it possible to load the .38 S&W to .38 Special velocites. I have determined that the .38 S&W case has approximately .67 of the .38 Special. I am guessing the .67 x Max .38 Spec load is the absolute maximum. With A5 powder this equates to 3.95 grains. Not wishing to create a hand grenade and loose my fingers and eyes not to mention potentially my life. I plan on starting at 3.1 grains and going up at .1 grain increments with a max of 3.7grains. Testing velocities with the idea of stopping at the velocity of a .38 special load shot from the gun or if I start picking up pressure signs. I do have a colt police positive and a Webley MK IV that are only safe at standard .38 S&W loads. I load the 200 grain bullet for them at 600 is FPS like the original British .38 200 load. My intent is to use 160 Grain SWCHP cast bullets from GT Bullets for the Victory model only loads.
Has anyone out there tried to get .38 Special Velocities from their Victory Model .38 S&W. If I am embarking on a fools errand please say so. The other alternative is to just buy a model 10 cylinder in .38 Spec for any or all of the pistols. I have given serious consideration of doing just that for the Snub Nose that had the reamed out cylinder.
.38 S&W Victory Model loads (160 SWC Hollow Points)
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gnoahhh
If he's shooting .38 Specials in chambers reamed as such out of original .38 S&W chambers I'll bet he's getting some horribly swelled (if not split) cases. This wasn't an uncommon practice back in the day when Victory Models were a dime-a-dozen and .38 S&W was a hard sell. Having encountered such travesties in the hands of less-informed folks I can vouch for the swelling/splitting phenomenon.
FWIW, I load soft (1:30, 1:40) 200 grain RNFP's out of a Lee mold, sized/lubed as-cast .360", and 2.0gr. Bullseye for use in my pre-war .38/200 (.38S&W) Enfield No.2MkIV. Velocity so slow you can almost see them fly through the air, but who cares - the paper target sure doesn't! But, at the same time I would hate for you to shoot me with one of them!
I can testify to seeing .38 S&W bullets fly!
Spotlighting in the High Plains, it was hilarious to see the 148 gr Speer hbwc bullets from my Enfield - in the light on their way to missing a running cottontail!
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range time this morning with .38S&W + .38 Special
found time to do some controlled checking of 2 of my revolvers - S&W model 10-4 in .38 Special + old M+P built from parts including .38S&W cylinder + lock work converted to .38 Special by Cogswell + Harrison in England - like i previously stated i have never in many decades had a split case when shooting .38 Specials thru it - used once fired .38 Special Federal brass cases, loaded with 3.5 grs. of red dot, under 158 gr. cast lead lubed w/LLA - fired 6 shots in 6 individual chambers in both pistols - average measurements of six shots shown - .381 in Special chambers + .386 in the S&W chambers - both cylinders showed very little deviation between chambers -