Can I shoot a gas check design with out the gas check???

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08-24-2012, 08:35 PM
RU shooter

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Originally Posted by ramon13

did you shoot with out gas check because I have 400 boolits with out gascheck and I wanto to use it in my .308 it'll be ok my load it's 180gr boolit and 13grains green dot thanks

With that load you'll need a gas check. for chexless shooting you want to limit your vel. to around 22LR speeds . for best results say 900-1200 fps. Not to impressive your probably thinking but these sub loads can be just plain fun to shoot for extended sessions . My favorite Chexless sub load is for my 03A3 using a chexless Lee 155 and 6.0 grs of Bullseye just a hoot to ring the 12 " 200 yd gong time after time . Heres at 100 yds
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09-12-2012, 06:35 AM
1_Ogre

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Originally Posted by Bret4207

Yes, you can. But how accurate it will be depends on the design and the gun and load. If you go for moderate to slow speeds it tends to work better than if you push them to the max. IME the faster you push them, the more problems you have. Given a boolit that fits the gun to start with and a gas check shank that isn't boogered up (has a smooth and even circumference) they often they will shoot rather well, especially at short range.

I'm sure Ken will add the relevant posts as he can as there is a lot of discussion on this already and on how a GC functions. But, that paragraph will at least get it started.

Yes, you can shoot a bullet designed for a gas check without putting a gas check on it. Just don't push it hard and it will shoot fine
09-12-2012, 06:43 AM
1_Ogre

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Originally Posted by a.squibload

That pin looks good. Maybe I got lucky, was able to adjust
the lubeamatic so only a little lube gets in the GC shank,
then just scrape it off with a thumbnail. They shoot fine!

If you don't want the lube in the GC area, go to hollowpointbullets.com. Eric will make you a bottom die that will fit OVER the GC indentation that will keep the lube out of there. He has made them for me for the bevel base boolits and they work fine and there isn't any gunk in the bottom of the boolit. He does GREAT WORK
11-05-2012, 01:28 PM
YunGun

I know I'm kinda late to the party here, but just thought I'd mention that I believe the website Lead47 was referring to is actually: http://www.hollowpointmold.com
11-06-2012, 04:45 PM
1_Ogre

I have had no problems shooting gas checked boolits w/o the gas check in my Ruger 357 and they work fine. JUST DON'T PUSH THEM, or you will get the same as any pushed boolit, leading. With out the gas check you should be able to push them from 850-1100+/- w/o any problems. Make good plinkers
11-10-2012, 04:14 AM
a.squibload

Thanks for the link. I gave up the RCBS 215 gn gc
44 mold for a long time 'cause "bigger is better", but
I really like them at about 1000fps w/o checks.
Made a steel hanging target, they ring it as good
as the 240s, and for every 7 shots they save
enough lead for one more boolit.
(Dang I'm cheap, huh?).
Used the 215s w/checks before, trying for a fast load
but wasn't very accurate, glad I tried w/o the checks.
This mold might be a good candidate for HPing.
11-10-2012, 10:31 AM
Ben

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Originally Posted by a.squibload

Thanks for the link. I gave up the RCBS 215 gn gc
44 mold for a long time 'cause "bigger is better", but
I really like them at about 1000fps w/o checks.
Made a steel hanging target, they ring it as good
as the 240s, and for every 7 shots they save
enough lead for one more boolit.
(Dang I'm cheap, huh?).
Used the 215s w/checks before, trying for a fast load
but wasn't very accurate, glad I tried w/o the checks.
This mold might be a good candidate for HPing.

Maybe like this ? ?

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=52373
11-13-2012, 06:06 AM
a.squibload

Yep, those are nice!
Was gonna ask which pin you like better but
I like the big one. Might try to DIY it, as in the
thread about HP without a machine shop.
And yes your camera works fine, thanks for posting those.

PS: Have you tried 50/50 WW/soft? With a pinch of tin
they cast & shoot well & I'm getting no barrel leading.
Also using BAC lube.
03-25-2013, 08:06 AM
psychicrhino

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Originally Posted by nighthunter

I think all folks that have a need for this information should send a PM or email to Waksupi. He has vast knowledge in this area and would probably share it with everyone asking. Waksupi helped me with a great problem I had while casting. I had asked about what to do with all the sprues I had accumulated after years of casting. I had 7 or 8 five gallon buckets full in the garage. Waksupi (Ric) told me that they were of no use and in fact could be hazerdus to the environment. He was nice enough to allow me to package and ship them all to him for disposal. We have some really thoughtful members on this board.

Nighthunter

Made me laugh out loud :)
10-31-2013, 08:32 PM
donald duck

I would be more than happy to pay the postage if you would just ship all those old left over sprues. Send to Don Worley 2915 Dynamic Drive Colorado Springs, Colorado 80920. I will get a check for the postage just as soon as I receive the old sprues. Thanks
04-08-2014, 06:38 PM
Hooker53

Another long standing question answered. Good thread. Thanks for the posted info.

Roy
06-14-2014, 01:23 AM
slumlord44

thanks
06-20-2014, 10:39 AM
popper

PC them and you won't have the lube problem or need to get a special punch.
07-29-2014, 11:52 PM
toolness1

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Originally Posted by popper

PC them and you won't have the lube problem or need to get a special punch.

With a PC bullet, GC design, no GC, would you still need to keep the velocity down in the 900 to 1200 fps range or could you go higher?
09-30-2014, 05:14 PM
popper

IIRC I got close to 1800 in308 using 2400 but wouldn't cycle the AR. They were higher SB & WD. Still sized 0.310.
01-16-2015, 10:17 AM
RobsTV

I have searched for a solution on Lyman lube sizing omitted GC with no success, but found a simple solution that works perfectly.

Egg Carton failed. Wipe off PITA.

Then grabbed one of my old thin plain base gas checks, inserted in sizing die, and fixed! The PB gas checks are made for larger base, so they do not attach to GC shank during lubing and stay in the die. Base sealed with no lube present on shank or base, only in lube groove as desired.

Edited 2 months later. Switched to Powder Coated and no more need for this sort of fix.
02-20-2021, 11:45 PM
Krag 1901

I've been thinking on this issue as I have a bunch of boolets that need checks but I'm running short. My thinking now is that to shoot w/o checks you need to shoot it with a cool powder, not a fast abrupt 700x/Unique but with 2400/4198 or slower. The problem is getting the pressures down for slower with lesser charges of slower powders charges you run into detonation territory!

Other idea I had was a cardboard, or thick paper check/wad.? It might be hard to keep them in place in a short neck but in a long neck like the Krag, it might work? Maybe egg carton paper?
05-03-2021, 09:43 PM
DanInCt

If i shoot without gaschecks on a gaschecked bullet I tend to drop to the lower end of the powder charge.
02-07-2023, 02:57 PM
300leonidas

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Originally Posted by nighthunter

I had asked about what to do with all the sprues I had accumulated after years of casting. I had 7 or 8 five gallon buckets full in the garage.

What? You don't just throw them back in the pot and use them? I've never heard of not re-melting sprues. ????
05-06-2023, 12:38 AM
gnappi

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Originally Posted by 300leonidas

What? You don't just throw them back in the pot and use them? I've never heard of not re-melting sprues. ????

Yeah, that just may be an April 1st joke :-)

I can't imagine using ingots over re-using clean, and pre-heated sprue.

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