Suggestions for an air rifle

So I'm considering dipping my toe into air guns. I've no experience with air guns since fooling around with BB guns and .177 stuff as a kid. I'm not at all interested in that performance level.

I'm interested in. 22 caliber capable of 1000 fps. Something very similar to .22lr subsonic energy levels. 1MOA accuracy at 100yds commonly. No .50 cals at least not yet. And I don't want to spend a bunch of money on something that I may decide isn't for me.

Any practical and informative suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for looking.

Your 1 MOA goal is going to be tough. I suggest, reaching out to NSB on this forum. He helped me a lot.

I also suggest going to Gateway To Airguns. That forum has people who live airguns.

BTW, if you decide to go with .22 cal, reach out to me and I can send you a bunch of pellets to test so you don’t need to piss away a bunch of money looking for what your gun likes.

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Originally Posted by dverna

Your 1 MOA goal is going to be tough. I suggest, reaching out to NSB on this forum. He helped me a lot.

I also suggest going to Gateway To Airguns. That forum has people who live airguns.

BTW, if you decide to go with .22 cal, reach out to me and I can send you a bunch of pellets to test so you don’t need to piss away a bunch of money looking for what your gun likes.

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Very generous Sir! Thank you! I sent you a PM with a question.

I agree with Don, I highly suggest you take his advice.

Sent a PM to NSB. Thanks for the help.

Check out Utah air rifles. I've been looking at the Avenger. It takes a small air compressor to fill air tank to pressure.

Went with a Stoeger pcp from midway on a sale , xm1 I think suppressed and with a 7 round magazine , had to shop around for good buy on spare mags , pumps up easy with a hand pump and deadly on crows and rabbits , was pretty cheap but no complaints on it after a year .

Look at a 25 cal also. Depends on what you want. Don gave you good advice. Good luck.
Ron

1000 fps is attainable but you'll be shooting slugs rather than pellets if you want MOA and that means a rifle that will shoot slugs.
If you're willing to drop the speed down some your options greatly increase. You can do a lot with pellets in the 650-950 fps range.

What do you want to do with the air rifle? That will help with advice. Also, how loud is acceptable?

Daystate Red Wolf

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Originally Posted by ohen cepel

What do you want to do with the air rifle? That will help with advice. Also, how loud is acceptable?

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I tried to be specific with my desires in my first post, as far as what the intended use is basically anything you'd do with a .22LR.

Slugs are going to be necessary for the speed and accuracy at 100yds I'm looking for, that much I already know.

It's beginning to look like I might be better off to consider a tax stamp and a suppressor.

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Originally Posted by Hannibal

So I'm considering dipping my toe into air guns. I've no experience with air guns since fooling around with BB guns and .177 stuff as a kid. I'm not at all interested in that performance level.

I'm interested in. 22 caliber capable of 1000 fps. Something very similar to .22lr subsonic energy levels. 1MOA accuracy at 100yds commonly. No .50 cals at least not yet. And I don't want to spend a bunch of money on something that I may decide isn't for me.

Any practical and informative suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for looking.

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KEEP IN MIND; WITH AIR GUNS, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR...... I have a number of competition air-guns and they are very accurate; when you find the pellets they like... They are not cheap; but if you want suppurate accurate arms, they are worth it, and you can shoot them in your hall or basement....

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Originally Posted by BLAHUT

KEEP IN MIND; WITH AIR GUNS, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR...... I have a number of competition air-guns and they are very accurate; when you find the pellets they like... They are not cheap; but if you want suppurate accurate arms, they are worth it, and you can shoot them in your hall or basement....

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It's my understanding that past 50yds anything shooting pellets becomes inaccurate really quickly plus the energy requirement of 100ft/lbs is a no go with pellets. So I think I'm going to only be interested in something capable of shooting slugs. Which dramatically increases costs due to the pressure requirement and a barrel designed for slugs.

You will have a tough time getting a 100 yard accurate .22 cal pellet rifle to 1000 fps without going with an expensive PCP rifle like the FX at $2500 plus.

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Originally Posted by DDriller

You will have a tough time getting a 100 yard accurate .22 cal pellet rifle to 1000 fps without going with an expensive PCP rifle like the FX at $2500 plus.

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Looking that way, plus needing a compressor and possibly a special purpose scope.

Oh, well. If you don't ask questions you can only guess about such things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJWgL8rahkY

This young man can show you what you're looking for. Excellent informative and entertaining videos on his channel.
What he does with expensive PCPs I'm not sure can be duplicated with a rimfire.

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Originally Posted by ohen cepel

What do you want to do with the air rifle? That will help with advice. Also, how loud is acceptable?

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/\This makes all the difference, 1 moa at 100 yards? 22 pellets are going to drop velocity at that distance, and with that accuracy. OTH CCI 22lr quiet is no louder than my magnum 22 air rifle, the weight of the quiet round is going to give better accuracy. IIRC the velocity of the CCI quiet is around 800 fps, and more energy than the 22 mag air rifle. It is capable of taking small game, and pests.

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Originally Posted by DDriller

You will have a tough time getting a 100 yard accurate .22 cal pellet rifle to 1000 fps without going with an expensive PCP rifle like the FX at $2500 plus.

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Yes sir you’re gonna spend an arm and a leg to get that kind of accuracy. You’re better off with a 22 LR and a suppressor. Probably cost you three or four grand or more than not get the kind of accuracy with an air rifle you would with a 22 LR that would cost you 200 bucks for a rifle and probably three times that for a cheap suppressor or more.

I would suggest checking out Airgun Nation Forum. It's the no.1 airgun site and loads of good info. Guys there are really helpful.

Airguns are cool.
The British put out the best airgun magazines (reading kind) in the business. Well worth looking for at your local book store.
Unfortunately for the Brits, it seems many of their air guns are restricted in power.
I have one PCP, a Hammerli Pneuma. It is out of commission at the moment, two air cylinders that will not hold air. I've had it more then 10 years, it was fun to shoot for a while. I chroned it (forgot to write down the pellet gr. size at an average of 1054fps .22 caliber.
When I take an airgun to the range these days I shoot an RWS 56TH in .22. It's a side lever spring powered single shot. Chrony had pellets 14.3 grains averaging 866 fps. Best group of 5 shots at 25 yards .567".
I was able to break a clay pigeon mounted on the target board at 100 yards after taking several shots with the TH.

Let me make a suggestion: Go to Pyramyd Air and buy a Air Venturi Avenger for $350. I went with a .25 cal version as they are more powerful than the .22's Then go on Ebay and buy a Compressor for <$300.

With just a little tuning (dropping pressure regulator to 2400psi.) The gun shoots hard and is very accurate. I can use either 25 gr JSB Pellets or 34 gr JSB Pellets and the gun is good to 100 yards for shooting Ground Squirrels and such. Luckily most shots will be <100 yards more like 30-50 yards so Minute of GS head is adequate.

I am shooting Rimfire Silhouette next weekend at my Club with this Airgun. Off a rest,,, I can hit the 100 Meter Rams with every single shot ! Offhand,,, Not as much? But it has no problem knocking the targets down.

You've got to figure out exactly what you want to do with the gun before you spend the money on it.

You've also got to establish some reasonable parameters for Accuracy and Velocity. Your original Estimates are a bit unrealistic.

The good thing about the one I got is that if you decide you are not impressed with Airguns you can sell it and get your money back out pretty easily. Something that may not be true with a $2500 gun?.

Randy

If you are looking for a quick breakdown of some good rifles this article might be interesting to you. https://airguntitans.com/blog/best-a...ensive-review/
I'm pretty new to airguns myself but I liked the info they provided.

I too dipped my toe into the air gun water & now I am struggling to keep my head above water. It started cheaply enough with a used Benjamin Trail NP .177 pistol. Put a red dot on it.shoots an inch at 30 ft. Now I need a 22. Got a Hatsan 65 with a 3-9 scope. Now I need a 25. Got a Hatsan 135. You’ll get in shape cocking that one. Then I saw the Springfield Armory M1a 22. Gotta have it. Ihope l’m done for a while.


Bob

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Daystate Red Wolf

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I'm sure a lot of us would like to start with one of these but don't want to hit the retirement fund in order to buy.

I started into PCP with a Daystate Huntsman Revere. Good quality but somewhat less $$. Don't forget that to jump in with both feet, you will be looking at a tank and compressor. These could exceed the cost of a rifle.

If you can afford it, go for it!

So Hannibal: Did you pick out something yet? You've gotten a lot of free advice here, hope we didn't scare you off?

There is also a lot of Spring Powered Air Guns that are more economical to buy and shoot. I have several Weihrauch Airguns that I have had for many years and still function perfectly. My first was a HW35EB which I bought in 1978 for $189. It is a one hole gun at 10 meters and I have shot it literally thousands of times, with nothing more than a drop of oil and keeping it clean and wiped down every so often. It has accounted for over 400 Mockingbirds over the 46 years I have owned it plus numerous Ground Squirrels, Field Rats, Gophers and other Vermin.

These guns are now about $550 and are worth every cent because they are made like fine firearms and are designed for the Long Haul. HW 35's have been made since 1951 so that should tell you something?

The Second Pic is my $350 Air Venturi Avenger 25 cal.

Hope this helps.

Randy

Might be worth reading.

https://www.pyramydair.com/best-long-range-air-rifles