Could we be seeing the beginning of the battle predicted in the Bible?
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Could we be seeing the beginning of the battle predicted in the Bible?
It very may be .... but the Church has not been removed from the earth....what I am seeing is something like the old WWII Axis which involved Germany, Italy, and Japan....now the AXIS is the Russians, China, Middle East, and N. Korea. N. Korea is supplying Russia with weapons and ammunition. A good many of the Arabs have sided with Russia and China has set its eye on Taiwan and world dominance.....I see WWIII coming at a time when our borders are not secure and only God knows how many Chinese military are already in place! Add to that the worst and weakest president at the helm.....I am praying that Americans wake up and demand that our leaders do the right thing! Thus ends my rant!
I don't think we are seeing the starting of the Battle of Gog and Magog which is the great end times battle where Jesus returns.
Matthew 24:6-13
English Standard Version
6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for this must take place, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are but the beginning of the birth pains.
Please "Pray for the peace of Jerusalem".
No, the world’s not evil enough.
No...
Biblical view (not Hollywood's or best selling author's view) of end times events...
Revelation 20: 7-9
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
1. Tribulation (roughly 3 1/2 years)
2. Great Tribulation (a short season or period of time)
3. Rapture, Christ comes in the clouds to collect his saints (Twinkling of an eye)
4. GOD pours out his wrath on the earth in judgment of the wicked (Roughly 3 1/2 years)
5. Christ returns with his Saints to rule and reign for a 1000 years (1000 years)
6. Satan is loosed from the Pit and goes out to gather the nations to come against Christ and the camp of the saints...the beloved city, Jerusalem and is destroyed with the fire of GOD. (After the 1,000 year reign and rule of The Lord and his Saints)
I DO think the recent events are VERY significant... but NOT the battle of Gog and Magog unless we missed the minimum of the 1,007 years of events that must happen first. (I say minimum because the Bible doesn't really stipulate how long it takes Satan to gather his army from the four corners of the world and leads them to slaughter)
When did satan get put in his prison?
Revelation 20: 7-9
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
There has to be a third Jewish Temple on the Mount first. Honestly, we could have that in 6 months.
Yall think the Rev20 war is the same as Ez38?
Yes, as I understand it... Ezekiel 38 and Revelation 20 are talking about the same battle...
The battle of Gog and Magog are ONLY mentioned once in the Old Testament Ezekiel 38 and once in the New Testament Revelation 20
Ezekiel 38 was what some would call a duel or split prophecy. The nation of Israel at that time was in Captivity/Bondage... so it had current meaning for those living at that time and also a forecast Regarding latter years end times events
Revelation was written as... well, a book of revelation as it is so named.
Ezekiel 38
8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.
(Satan gathers his Army)
11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
(Unwalled villages, living at rest, dwelling in safety, having neither bars nor gates... This is the polar opposite of current day Israel or anytime in the foreseeable future. On the other side of the ledger, after the 1,000 year reign of Christ... that is a perfect description of how the promise land will be.
22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone
(hailstones, Fire and brimstone destruction from above)
Revelation 20
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
(Clearly and unequivocally Says after the 1,000 year reign of Christ the battle occurs. Also destruction from fire from above like Ezekiel 38)
I guess some might say there is a Battle of Gog and Magog before the 1,000 year reign and then the same battle takes place again at the end of the 1,000 year reign... both with the same results... Satan and his ilk being destroyed with fire from above.
That position seems kind of silly and is usually made by folks trying to make scripture fit a Hollywood type script like the Left behind movie and or some other doctrine of men.
I am open minded on the subject but the Bible seems pretty solid with regards to the Battle of Gog and Magog
Your Thoughts?
Revelation 20: 1-3
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
1. Tribulation (roughly 3 1/2 years)
2. Great Tribulation (a short season or period of time)
3. Rapture, Christ comes in the clouds to collect his saints (Twinkling of an eye)
4. GOD pours out his wrath on the earth in judgment of the wicked (Roughly 3 1/2 years)
5. Christ returns with his Saints to rule and reign for a 1000 years (1000 years)
6. Satan is loosed from the Pit and goes out to gather the nations to come against Christ and the camp of the saints...the beloved city, Jerusalem and is destroyed with the fire of GOD. (After the 1,000 year reign and rule of The Lord and his Saints)
We know that Satan comes to power at the midpoint when he sets himself up in the Temple and declares himself as God and requires folks to take his mark and worship his image then continues to deceive the nations during the 2nd half during GOD's wrath
We know that he does not stay in power during Christ's 1,000 year reign.
We know that at the end of Christ rule and reign the whole lot of them, Satan and his ilk are wadded up and tossed into the Lake Of Fire for eternity
So to answer your question... Satan is chained at the end of the 7 year period after GOD's wrath before the 1,000 year reign of Jesus.
I don't think it is a coincidence that Christ Rules and reigns for a 1,000 years and Satan is locked in the Pit for a 1,000 years
What are your thoughts regarding when Satan is chained and Pitted?
Hey there.
While always leaning strongly towards two events I'm still trying to make up my mind as to whether it's one or two.
A while back I listened to a presentation by Dr. Michael Heiser on the topic (youtube). As always, he was persuasive.
Chuck Missler did a presentation on the matters and yep, he was persuasive.
Yep, since the beginning of the fig tree generation events have really been speeding up.
Yeah... one of the other things I have a hard time reconciling with the two separate Battles scenario is...
Is Satan destroyed with Brimstone/Fire from above in both battles?
I have always thought that once GOD clouds up and rains Fire and Brimstone on you, that's it. You wont be coming back for round two
Similar to Sodom and Gomorrah
Jeremiah 50:40
40 As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbour cities thereof, saith the LORD; so shall no man abide there, neither shall any son of man dwell therein.
The problem is not with the actual construction of the Temple, as you say... that could be done rather quickly.
The problem is clearing out the Muzzies so that the construction can start... Which brings us to the current conflict.
The Islamist of the world are a Cool-Hand-Luke kinda hardheaded/passionate misguided bunch (about 1.8 billion of them) and it will take something very bloody and brutal before they are ready to cry uncle and sign a peace treaty giving up their rights to location.
According to Bible prophecy "It" will happen... but make no mistake, it will be ugly!
I just read some of Ezekiel and I don’t think they are the same anymore. The parallels in that passage with today are eery.
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This statement was made by Iran’s foreign minister recently:
And then we have Eze 38:18-19:Quote:
“Any step the resistance (Hezbollah) will take will cause a huge earthquake in the Zionist entity.”
Keep in Mind that Russia is Iran’s ally. There are reports of Iran planning this attack with Hamas and Hezbollah. I wouldn’t be surprised if Russia was also involved in the planning or contingency plans.Quote:
18 It will come about on that day, when Gog comes against the land of Israel,” declares the Lord God, “that My fury will mount up in My anger. 19 In My zeal and in My blazing wrath I declare that on that day there will certainly be a great [a]earthquake in the land of Israel.
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One way that this situation could lead to WWIII is for Russia to support Iran in response to USA supporting Israel. And if Russia and USA are fighting in Israel, then why not fight in Ukraine too? Boom - WWIII.
And then we have Eze 38:21:
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21 And I will call for a sword against [a]him on all My mountains,” declares the Lord God. “Every man’s sword will be against his brother.
Eze 39:22 could make you think of a nuclear response, but verse 23 makes me think it’s more like GOD repeating Gomorrah:
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22 With plague and with blood I will enter into judgment with him; and I will rain on him and on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, [a]a torrential rain, hailstones, fire, and brimstone. 23 So I will prove Myself great, show Myself holy, and make Myself known in the sight of many nations; and they will know that I am the Lord.”’
If we really do see USA openly fighting Russia in Ukraine… well, we have Eze 39:6:
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6 “And I will send fire upon Magog and those who inhabit the coastlands in safety; and they will know that I am the Lord.
Iran has been sending drones and missiles to Russia to support the war in Ukraine. So Russia and Iran have both recently used a lot of their armaments. Now if Russia is going to give aid to Iran, it’s likely that they will have more soldiers to give than bombs. If they want to siege Jarusalem (after all, this attack is named Al-Aqsa Flood) in response the the Israeli siege of Gaza… they’re going to need soldiers for that.
Now here’s Ezekiel’s prophecy against Gog in 39:4:
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4 You will fall on the mountains of Israel, you and all your troops, and the peoples who are with you; I will give you as food to every [a]kind of predatory bird and animal of the field.
Eze 39:27 is the prophecy we saw come true in 1948, and 39:29 could very well refer to the third Temple:
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27 When I bring them back from the peoples and gather them from the lands of their enemies, then I shall show Myself holy [a]through them in the sight of the many nations. 28 Then they will know that I am the Lord their God because I made them go into exile among the nations, and then I gathered them again to their own land; and I will leave none of them there any longer. 29 I will not hide My face from them any longer, for I will have poured out My Spirit on the house of Israel,” declares the Lord God.
Can you imagine what a miraculous victory for Israel would do to the world? Satan deceived people with Islam and drives them attempt Israel’s extermination. Israel could find itself outmanned and outgunned in a fight that started with anger over Jews praying at the Temple Mount. Now suppose this miracle is greater than 1948 and GOD undeniably makes himself known. I could see the third Temple on the Mount constructed after that. Eze 39:29 could very well indicate the return of the Ark of the Covenant to the Temple on the Mount!
Concerning Ezekiel, if chapter 37 is a prelude, in essence setting the table for chapter 38?
Who are the two sticks that get joined together, the Israelite peoples and Judah?
It's fascinating study to apply to the modern world.
How about Israel and the United States??????
Ezekiel 37:13-16
13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.
15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
1st stick- For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions (Southern Kingdom, 2 Tribes after the split)
2nd Stick - For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim (Northern kingdom, 10 Tribes after the Split)
At the rapture the old testament saints from the 12 tribes will be resurrected (regenerated) and reunited as one people... two sticks into one
This group will be where the 144,000 will be chosen. 12,000 from each Tribe.
This also fulfills where Christ says...
Mathew 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
What are your thoughts on how Ezekiel chapter 37 ties to 38 and the 7 year period?
There’s two main prophecies in Eze 37. They are similar, but don’t appear to be the same.
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If I were to guess at dates for a few interesting verses, I’d go with this:
1) Eze 37:11 could be 1940 (Holocaust timeframe)
2) Eze 37:12 could be 1948 (Israel is re-instated)Quote:
11 Then He said to me, “Son of man, these bones are the entire house of Israel; behold, they say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope has perished. We are [f]completely cut off.’
3) Eze 37:21-22 could be an ongoing process, which started around 1948.Quote:
12 Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘This is what the Lord God says: “Behold, I am going to open your graves and cause you to come up out of your graves, My people; and I will bring you into the land of Israel.
4) Eze 37:23 could be in the future, after all Jews have returned to Israel, and after those Jews accept Jesus as Lord.Quote:
21 And say to them, ‘This is what the Lord God says: “Behold, I am going to take the sons of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and I will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king will be king for all of them; and they will no longer be two nations, and no longer be divided into two kingdoms.
5) Eze 37:27-28 reads like the end of time, after Satan is thrown into the pit.Quote:
23 They will no longer defile themselves with their idols, or with their detestable things, or with any of their offenses; but I will rescue them from all their [i]dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. And they will be My people, and I will be their God.
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27 My dwelling place also will be among them; and I will be their God, and they will be My people. 28 And the nations will know that I am the Lord who sanctifies Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forever.”’”
Then Eze 38 begins a different prophecy. I guess I have to say that I do not see Eze 37 as a prelude to Eze 38.
Alabama358 - I don’t debate interpretations of scripture online like this. I tried a bible forum once, and that’s just not helpful. Feel free to share your thoughts, as I do, but that’s as far as I will go here. Everyone should read their Bible for themselves and pray from instruction from the Holy Spirit. I am certainly not an ordained minister.
I never cared for Mark Twain but he really was right about what people know for sure but that's not true.
Bible study is like that. People know things they heard someone teach, not infrequently something twisted to support a particular theory. Then later they get around to researching for themselves and eventually find out "it just aint so".
Will someone please quote me chapter & verse where it is stated there will actually be a third temple built. Not just animal sacrifices, but a third temple built.
Buckwheatpaul and others here. My wife and I were both career Army Intel types-I know, a contradiction in terms. We both had the privilege of briefing LTC Norman Swartzkopf when he was Deputy Chief of Staff of the Army for Operations and since we knew what he wanted to know and could defend our positions with true facts he was gracious. I testified before both the House and Senate committees on intelligence-with an Army civilian lawyer in my armpit each time to ensure I didn't stray too far from what everyone wanted to hear. After four years in DC I was a firm believer that Mother Teresa wouldn't last six months before the system found a way to co-op or corrupt her.
So, my question is, in what ways or means is it remotely possible to get our "representatives" to do what we know to be just and correct? The only voting system that might work is the purple finger we imposed in the ME, but what happens to the boxes full of ballots? This country is nowhere near the republic which our forefathers envisioned and may never have been, and we have lost it for the simple reasons they foresaw then. I wish our world was different, but we're going to have to make do with what we've got. Care for your loved ones and value your true friends as if they were gold. Gray Fox
Here is a teaching I done on the subject.
Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiIkT6WEWgE
Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYI2W_nFZf4
If true, I guess ammo won't do you much good.
You can send it all to me for disposal.[smilie=1:
Daniel 11:31 suggests a 3rd Temple.
That’s the ESV translation. The NASB translation doesn’t literally say “temple”.Quote:
Forces from him shall appear and profane the temple and fortress, and shall take away the regular burnt offering. And they shall set up the abomination that makes desolate.
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Forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the abomination [a]of desolation.
It not in the Bible! Is because of misinterpreted eschatology that a third temple be built. Without a temple, there can be no abomination that causes desolation placed in the temple.