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I just read a what oil to use thread on a motorcycle forum and thought I would come over here to share the love.
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Just kidding.
I just read a what oil to use thread on a motorcycle forum and thought I would come over here to share the love.
2.8 grains of Red Dot and the Lee 356-90RF should do it. Let's not waste powder and lead lol
How long of a barrel? Are you sticking it in the bears eye, against the roof of his mouth or in his ear?
Synthetic 20W-40W will always figure in a good lube.
Plain old 158 grain SWC for maximum penetration. Just make sure you only use the first five on the bear so you have the last one for yourself.
any load wil do but lube it with bacon grease and donut glaze, whenn a bear attacks thriw itt down and run away while it eats it
Most any .38 Special load should work as well as the mighty (cough) .25 ACP in slowing down your companion during bear attack.
Robert
22 lr for bear defense is the best thing going
light and easy to carry and packs more into a clip
maximum fire power
All very good suggestions :p
There was an article in Outdoor Life in the 50s or 60s by Ben East entitled "Handgun Versus A Brownie." It related a true story of a wildlife photographer in Alaska who successfully repelled a brown bear attack with a 6-inch Colt Official Police shooting Super--X 158-grain lead round nosed .38-44 loads which gave about 1125 fps from a 6- inch revolver. IIRC the fellow was a WW2 combat vet and ex-cop who calmly engaged the charging bear at hot breath distance putting rounds into the eye sockets, up the nostrils and into the soft pallet of the open mouth, dumping six rounds rapidly double action. The bear knocked him down and laid dead on top of him!
Handgun or Pistol Against Bear Attacks 104 cases, 97% Effective
https://www.ammoland.com/2021/06/han...#axzz8DLR2jzMs
I was thinking it was a load for a bear to pack in defense against humans!
Three44s
Whatever load you decide on, just be sure to file the front sight smooth. It will hurt less that way when the bear sticks it where the sun don’t shine.
I use something less powerful. That load might over penetrate and kill a baby hiding behind the bear.
The cynical or ignorant person strolling through the data might come to the conclusion that (1) 44 magnums attract bears -- used in 30 of the 104 cases, and (2) 45 Super is far less of an attractant -- only used in 1 of the 104 documented cases.
Since I didn't see 375 Supermag, would this be a better choice yet? :)
Pure snark here -- just an illustration of how to not use information with existing biases...
I want to know more about motorcycle oil. Vtwin or inline? Wet or dry clutch? Old or new? Synthetic or dino? And the added controversy, how often do you change it?!!!! :)
Heck, if a puny 9mm can kill a grizzly why not a .38? :) Me? I just avoid Grizzly country when on foot.
Almost any .38 special load will work when fired from inside the bear.
News reports indicate that in the incident Rudy Noorlander had this week with a grizzly, that the revolver he was carrying "misfired." Anybody know what that revolver was?
The answer is in how you read the question. Personally, I doubt if bears need defense loads, as they are big, with teeth and claws. ;-)
DG
So - not a 38 special load, but I have some HP GC boolits that are in the 158 grain range that I think I'm gonna try out in the 350 legend... I do load these in 38 special and they are going a modest 750 or so fps. But a 30 round magazine and a gun sending 150 grain boolits at 2100-2200 fps should stop a bear...
With 38 special you may as well shoot in the air and see what happens.:violin:
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Originally Posted by M-tecs
If it were me, I think I would just carry some of my 38 Colt Short loads . . . . they take up less room in your pocket which leaves more room to carry more toilet paper . . . just in case you do run into a bear . . . . :-)
<tongue in cheek mode on> Reload the case to the brim with VV310 and give it to the bear to fire.
On a separate note - If attacked by a bear, play dead. It's good practice for when it kills you 5 seconds later.
Oh boy, pass the popcorn!!!!!:coffee::coffee:
Wait till he opens wide to eat you... then shove the barrel in his mouth and pull the trigger; make it look like a suicide ;)
I've found that a 140gr dewc with red dot works fine if you wait out the charge till the last moment then somersault onto it's back and fire into it's ear riding it to the ground like a bucking bronco. After much experimenting I found a 5 shot Chiefs Special works the best as the short barrel is easier to get into the ear so you don't have to latch onto the other one with your teeth to keep its head steady. Lots of ticks in the ears so try not to do that.
I must point out a caution, though. If he is real rambunctious you might have to clamp onto that left ear (if right handed) and reach under with your right and muckle onto the family jewels to show who's boss and settle him down. Just get over it and get it done. If it's a sow your on your own as I've not been charged by one. I heard that using your Indiana Jones bullwhip, you always carry one, right?, to keep the ride going and just tire her out works but that was told to me over a fire in Siberia by a guy I'm not sure I trusted as he had a predilection for exaggeration. He spun a wild tale after much vodka of taking Stalin hunting. When a bear charged Stalin he froze so this guy jumped on and finding out it was female yanked out the whip and they went in circles. Told me Stalin threw himself on the ground and cried like a Nancy watching him subdue the Brown. Seriously, Stalin crying? Oy...
Use that method at your discretion
I've used my method on a number of blacks, griz and browns. Always works for me
The old 200gr boolit over real black powder is the best load, to shoot your buddy in the knee with.
After that you should be able to out run him.
I've loaded the Lyman 358430 (195gr RN) in the Special at a pokey 570fps in one of my earlier efforts to simulate the old British .38/200 load. It penetrated 18" of calibrated FBI-spec Jell-O in a nice straight line. It could be thrown faster. If one is assuming ANY handgun has a reasonable chance of stopping a large carnivore fast enough to save your skin, there are worse combinations to kid yourself with.
Keith 358429 and 7 grains of Unique might work but falls into the excessive pressure and irresponsible category though Elmer recommended this bullet with 8 grains of Unique. I saw a bear in the zoo. That's my experience.
Seriously though, where 9mm has worked, and trust me as I believe in 44s and 480s ..... a properly loaded 38 would be a better choice than a 9mm except for round count.
The Chief Special and a heavy framed 38 like the Outdoorsman can handle some pretty rambunctious loads, the Outdoorsman being the inspiration for the creation of the 357 magnum cartridge.
If I was charged while only packing a 38, that is what I would use.
If I was out with Joesph Stalin and only had a bull whip I would try it on the bear. If it did p not turn it away, I would use it on "Joe" to get him runnin'........ the bear would focus on him whilst I slipped away.
Three44s
Any load will do to put you out of your misery before the bear makes you it’s lunch.
I feel sorry for all y'all that still have to worry about bear encounters and caliber choices. Back when I was a kid here in the Stumpwater area of NE Texas we eradicated the entire population of bears (and lions, tigers, elephants, etc) with our finely tuned Daisy BB guns. I've felt so safe for the last 60 years that I even leave the house without my Daisy.
I used a Chiefs Special against a grizzly.
ONCE!
Never again!
Took jonp’s advice and stuck it deep in its ear and pulled the trigger.
The exposed hammer was so deep in the ear canal it got hung up and the gun couldn’t fire.
Now I use a Centennial with an internal hammer.