Stevens 44 1/2 32-20 suspect bore

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08-29-2021, 07:41 PM
HARRYMPOPE

Stevens 44 1/2 32-20 suspect bore

I've had this about a week.the seller on Guns International bragged about the "mint bore " Well...if "mint" means pitted bore in a few places the first few inches then it was mint.
I did what I do with other similar bores.Harder bullets and rolled in Alox.It took about 40 rounds but it's settled down and m getting no leading.i think the pits fill up with lube and kinda settles in.
It's now shooting 2 MOA with alot of clustering.the blade front and large rear peep isn't precise but works well enough .
So far 7-8g of 2400 and the RCBS 98g and the SAECO 322 seem like the bullets it likes.

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08-29-2021, 08:31 PM
Kylongrifle32

That's a fine looking rifle. Hopefully it settles in for you once you find the right powder and bulet combo it likes.
08-29-2021, 09:26 PM
HARRYMPOPE

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Originally Posted by Kylongrifle32

That's a fine looking rifle. Hopefully it settles in for you once you find the right powder and bulet combo it likes.

It's a model "45" .The challenge is the rather loose sight picture.i have a set of Baldwin sights I could put on it but I'm leaving it as issued.i think I'm pretty close to as good as it will do considering all.my friends uberti low wall 32-20 shoots inch often but it's scoped and has a new bore
08-30-2021, 06:12 PM
single shot jimmy

May I ask where you found that? I have been looking for one.

Nevermind you mentioned where in your post.

Nice rifle.
09-01-2021, 08:53 PM
HARRYMPOPE

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Originally Posted by single shot jimmy

May I ask where you found that? I have been looking for one.

Nevermind you mentioned where in your post.

Nice rifle.

I was surprised it was still available when I contacted the seller.most if the time I miss out

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09-01-2021, 09:31 PM
5614estell

Since it's a single shot, try heavier bullets if you have any 30cal molds that cast a little fat. I've shot Lyman 311291 with good results in a 16'' twist. I'm presently working with 165g Pope stop ring.
09-02-2021, 07:25 AM
45workhorse

Mighty fine caliber, and rifle!
09-02-2021, 08:51 PM
koger

I will get you some bullets made up from that mold we discussed today,lube and size them and get them out to you.
09-04-2021, 08:42 PM
HARRYMPOPE

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Originally Posted by 5614estell

Since it's a single shot, try heavier bullets if you have any 30cal molds that cast a little fat. I've shot Lyman 311291 with good results in a 16'' twist. I'm presently working with 165g Pope stop ring.

Pope bullets were not stop ring type,do you mean baseband?

The twist is 1-20 for 32-20. 32-40 typically 1-16
09-05-2021, 07:15 AM
5614estell

Nope, not a baseband bullet. As I have heard/read, Pope designed the 308403 for use in the Springfield. The stop ring lets you load an almost breach seated bullet in a bolt action. That was the rumor I heard. I had my rifle rebored by JES, and it does have a 16" twist. My 32-40 has a 14" twist. The 32-20 is FBW J model.
09-05-2021, 07:50 AM
HARRYMPOPE

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Originally Posted by 5614estell

Nope, not a baseband bullet. As I have heard/read, Pope designed the 308403 for use in the Springfield. The stop ring lets you load an almost breach seated bullet in a bolt action. That was the rumor I heard. I had my rifle rebored by JES, and it does have a 16" twist. My 32-40 has a 14" twist. The 32-20 is FBW J model.

That's not really a stop ring bullet.its a baseband type.A stop ring is a German deal with a foreword driving band (roughly neck diameter) with the
Body a slip fit in the fired case neck.i have had a couple rare Ideal 30 calibers if this type .The 308403 was designed for the Springfield .the original correct cherry had the last band reverse tapered as Pope designed to help it seat into the throat. Later ones were cylindrical and not quite correct.I have both versions and the tapered one is better shooting.i had Accurate make me a bullet similar to Pope's but about 215g.i use it in a Ruger #1 30-06. I don't finger Seat the bullet though I use a push type breach seater. There is not a lot of camming power in the falling block works action . And the 32-20 does not have a lot of throat I'm surprised the fat band of the 403 allows it allows it to close on that cartridge.

i didn't think JES did .30 caliber rebores?
09-05-2021, 08:01 AM
5614estell

OK My mold is a NOE 308-167fn. I suppose I have incorrectly read the description. Just take off Pope. Ask Jesse. Apparently JES does not update their website often. I called JES about rebore/rechamber of a 25 20.This was his suggestion. I finger seat the bullet and push it "home" w/ dowel rod. The bullet is also tapered and isn't hard to seat. I guess the bullet is not a stop ring but is tapered baseband. Seems to serve the same function.
09-05-2021, 08:42 AM
HARRYMPOPE

I tried to get Jesse to do a 30 caliber for me a few years back now I'm going to ask again that's great information. The NOE a very accurate copy of the Pope bullet.

I really like what you're doing with that faster twist 3220 and heavier bullets.
09-05-2021, 01:48 PM
5614estell

It' been fun. There's not much info on the application. I've been trying molds I have w/o having one made, some were gas checked but that really does no good except to see what will stabilize. The fore mentioned bullet seems to be working, but needs fine tuning. I just got my breach seater if the fixed doesn't pan out. I am hoping for the bullet to work as I don't care for wads and BSing will require one.
09-05-2021, 03:23 PM
HARRYMPOPE

I just got back from the range with the 32-20 Stevens. The RCBS 98 size to .314 with 7.5g 2400 seems to be decent enough. Considering the bore condition I'm getting no leading and the accuracy seems to be holding up reasonably well. I'll probably just stop here and use it as an off hand gun. I figure close to 1.5 MOA accuracy is about all I should expect from this.
I shot the last 5 at 200 yd and 4 of them were into a touch over 3" and the last shot went about 7" left!! I was so excited then I was deflated...

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09-05-2021, 11:28 PM
5614estell

If you don't mind a gas check, try Ideal/Lyman 311441. The 44 1/2 is a fine rifle.
09-06-2021, 12:49 PM
HARRYMPOPE

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Originally Posted by 5614estell

If you don't mind a gas check, try Ideal/Lyman 311441. The 44 1/2 is a fine rifle.

I have that mold and it's a good design.im.sticking with plainbase for now.i shot the same 7.5g 2400 load with the Hensley and Gibbs #65 this am.its my favorite in 32 revolvers.it did pretty good for a light little truncated cone bullet.it shot about 2" at 100 yards with most shots closer.
09-06-2021, 12:51 PM
HARRYMPOPE

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Originally Posted by 5614estell

If you don't mind a gas check, try Ideal/Lyman 311441. The 44 1/2 is a fine rifle.

I hate Stevens rifles!

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09-06-2021, 01:21 PM
5614estell

Nice! I have only one.
09-07-2021, 03:45 PM
HARRYMPOPE

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Originally Posted by 5614estell

Nice! I have only one.

I have one back right now with CPA getting a 33/47 barrel fitted. I've managed to round up a couple of tapered 33 caliber molds.
09-07-2021, 07:35 PM
5614estell

Mine is also 33-47. I have a couple of Hoch molds for it.
09-12-2021, 01:13 PM
HARRYMPOPE

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Originally Posted by 5614estell

Mine is also 33-47. I have a couple of Hoch molds for it.

What twist and bore diameter is yours?
Also what loads are you using?
09-17-2021, 11:04 AM
5614estell

Just got back in town. The twist is 14". I have not slugged the bore or cast the chamber. I acquired the rifle with the molds from a friend who made the half round/half oct. barrel. He said it has a .333 bore and I have no reason to question his measurements. I have not shot the rifle a lot, but it does shoot well with 15g of 4227 which is the only load I have tried. the molds are a 220g and a 190g, with the 190 shooting the best(so far).