Are Catholics allowed by their beliefs to eat bacon ?
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Are Catholics allowed by their beliefs to eat bacon ?
AFAIK, there are no restrictions against bacon consumption per se.
Yes, although not on Fridays during Lent when all "meat" is forbidden. The definition of meat is as odd as a congressional district map. The Belgians or Dutch convinced a pope to rule that muskrat and beaver did not count as meat since they came from the water like fish, for example.
Based on the country neighborhood kids families, when I was a kid, yes. Especially the farms that raised hogs for slaughter.
In the chapel, curious?
I believe all the old Jewish "Kosher" laws went out with the rise of Christianity.
Many others in the area have similar rules, won't eat pork.
I have seen several Catholic Priests chow down bacon and pancakes like there is no tomorrow.
In history, in the area concerned, there were no domesticated pigs, the boars and sows that did live there lived in the foulest swamps. They were considered unclean, and indeed you should even today cook your pork well enough to kill the parasites they can still carry.
Parasites that can migrate to humans and ruin your life eating uncooked or not thoroughly enough cooked pork.
Not as likely true from a reputable farm. But a feral or wild pig can still have Trichinosis.
With the resurrection of the son all the rules changed. Even the day of worship.
But I think it is important to remember, Jesus himself was raised with the Sabbath. He would have worshiped after sundown friday eve. So if you are really looking for some extra special attention. Try lighting 2 candles after the sun sets friday evening. And invite him into your house. You might be surprised.
Of course! Have you ever been to Spain, especially Castille y Leon or Toledo, etc.? Every thing is "jamon" (ham). I think it was partly to spit in the eye of the pushed out muslims in the 15th century.
Curious why the question is asked. Do you know a Catholic who does not like bacon and thought it was their religious restriction? Before the Protestants started out in the 16th century there was a lot of bacon eating going on in Europe by Christians (Catholics) for 1,500 years.
In Acts 10, God overturned the old clean/unclean distinctions and dietary laws in general. Yes, we Catholics LOVE bacon!
Peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray. 10And he became hungry and wanted something to eat, but while they were preparing it, he fell into a trance 11and saw the heavens opened and something like a great sheet descending, being let down by its four corners upon the earth. 12†In it were all kinds of animals and reptiles and birds of the air. 13†And there came a voice to him: “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.” 14But Peter said, “By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.” 15And the voice came to him again a second time, “What God has made clean, do not call common.”
Oh yeah, Catholics have no restrictions on bacon specifically. In fact, the biblical passage in 1 Corinthians 10:23-30 applies here as to what Catholics can eat. Basically, anything but that which is offered to idols. Brewer12345 is correct about Lent during which strict abstention is required on Fridays with fasting also performed during the rest of the week, though meat is permitted, one full meal and two smaller "half meals" per day. Can't be having the laborer lose his job for lack of strength or compromise the health of the ill and elderly. Meatless Fridays came about during a period of history when meat was expensive and usually reserved for special occasions. Meatless Fridays are a penitential act acknowledging the crucifixion of Christ on Good Friday. A penitential act is required of Catholics, but the option is there to do something else if circumstances are such that abstaining is contra-indicated. As in, if a Catholic is invited to a great reception on Friday at considerable effort and expense, the thing to do is to join the guests in their celebration of the wedding or whatever, and do a separate penitential act on one's own, such as prayer and meditation on Scripture beyond what one normally does. Mostly, the simplest thing is to observe meatless Fridays and contemplate the price paid by the One from Whom all good things come.
Long ago Lent involved 40 days of fasting. This meant no food before sundown and no meat for the entire fasting period. Things have obviously changed over the centuries.
Bacon is good, IMHO.
Yup. I was raised Catholic, but as Dad was a Marine we had no real restrictions on meat on Fridays. Mom tried to get fish for Friday, but if not, anything was good.
It did surprise me to see Andrew Zimmern eating pork on his TV show. I thought pork was verboten for Jewish people.
It just goes to show you that God will take you when He's ready, not necessarily when you do something that's not kosher........
Interestingly, there is case to be made that, at one time in the Church's history, it was de rigeur, at least in His Catholic Majesty's Most Holy Spanish Empire.
Following the reconquista, in which Spain and Portugal were liberated from the Moorish occupation, there were substantial populations of Muslims and Jews, who were welcome under Moorish rule, who made the appearance of having converted to Christianity, the alternative being death or flight, of course. The Inquisition was, in part, a political effort at what today might be called ethnic cleansing. It was to ferret out the non-Catholics and 'remove ' them, generally by torture and execution but, from time to time by 'conversion ' , from the Spanish Empire.
Neither Muslims nor Jews having the privilege of eating Senőr Hawg, the serving of pork (and liquor vis-a-vis the Mohammedans) was a way to do said ferreting. The prevalence of pork dishes in Iberian cuisine may have to do with this fact. If, for example, the rather dusky hook-nosed fellow next door whose land you coveted didn't want to make a deal? Well invite him over for some piggy-wiggy and Rioja. If he doesn't dig in, pitch him to Torquemada and split his land with the Church.
While those days may have been rather unpleasant in retrospect, they were far better than the more recent ills of the Parrish priest trying to play hide the sausage with the altar boys...
If so, that would donaway with alot of cured italian meats such as panchetta and prosciutto off the top of my head.
Bacon is, IMHO, proof positive that at least two major religions are wrong. No God worthy of the name would create a world that has something so utterly, divinely, delicious, and then forbid us to eat it. QED.
I have learned more about the Catholic Church here then I ever wanted or needed to know.
Jews don't eat pork. Catholics can eat any meat unless its lent.
Why is this in the" chapel" in the first place? Why not the PIT or theological discussions?
That said, I have a boss that's a fine Christian man that won't touch pork on religious grounds, and he's certainly not Catholic. Personally, I think it's a rightly dividing issue, and you can eat what ever you want by God.
How's this? I have a Granddaughter that just about won't eat any kind of meat unless is highly processed. The subject of bacon came up and she went on and on about how much she liked bacon. I exclaimed, "I thought you don't like meat?", she said bacon isn't really meat! Figure that one out?
This should go to the pit before my responses end up magically erased again. I really wonder why this thread was started in the first place. The OP should have simply Googled it or gone to WWW.catholic.com for their answer.
Many of you should look up the newer rules for fast during lent, you will be surprised that it has become very easy to follow. It is no where as hard as it used to be, we also can eat all the bacon we want, personally I prefer corned beef.
Detroit was one of the diocese that wanted a finding that muskrat was not meat. Fish was expensive, muskrat was plentiful in the marshes along the river and trapped commercially. Making muskrat a cheaper form of non-meat than fish for lent. Which was greatly appreciated by the working class Catholic immigrants in Detroit and Michigan. Being a French town originally it had a Catholic base which helped draw in the Irish, and later Polish immigration that further cemented its large Catholic population.
Some really interesting and historical Catholic churches in Detroit and the surrounding area.
LOL , the topic of this thread was meant to be humorous , I am aware that Catholics love bacon as much as we Baptists do . Our advantage is we can have it 365 days a year ! However I did learn something ...didn't know beaver and muskrat were on the menu with fish during times of abstinence , that's interesting !
As a child I was glad there were so many Catholic kids in my grade school . There were several grade schools in town but mine and one other were the only schools that got fish on Friday ....Catholics were beneficial !
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I didn't say it was dividing, just not fit for the chapel, IMHO.
I'm honestly not understanding why it's ..not fit ? I can't relate this thread to theology , it's simply sharing and fellowship to me .
Yesterday two good friends of mine drove over 500 miles round trip just to take me to lunch . One is a Methodist and one is a Southern Baptist and I'm an Independent Baptist . They go to an interdenominational pray study together in their home town .
The Southern Baptist friend gave prayer at the restaurant before we ate . They had liver and onions and I had the fried cod . Great guys , had a great time...they made my day !
As a catholic, yes Bacon is regularly on the menu.
I can further say, that as a function of the crusades - bacon likely played an important part of that particular history. Both as a food staple - and for other intimidation purposes.
Years ago when I was in church at the time and it was during lent and the priest said that for how high price fish is out here and too many dose not have the money to buy it. You can eat meat. Also been eating bacon and other foods.So do what need to be done for how things are for you.The animals and wildlife was not put on here for just there looks, but for there use one way or the other.
I'm honestly not understanding why it's ..not fit ? I can't relate this thread to theology , it's simply sharing and fellowship to me .
I guess my understanding of what the chapel is here for is a misunderstanding then!
How about starting these threads in the chapel!
Can a Baptist preacher be divorced?
Can a Methodist go to a fish fry on Monday at the local bar?
Does your preacher/ priest have to wear a certain outfit?
It's it ok to wear your work cloths to church?
It's it a sin to let or services out early to beat the Baptist to the buffet?
If you wore a kilt to services what would happen?
And on and on and on. My final post here.
Those are interesting questions . I can answer a couple I believe .
Can a Baptist preacher be divorced?
Baptist preachers are selected by an appointed pulpit committee . They will preach a determined amount of services and the congregation will vote as a body to accept them or not .
If the preacher has been divorced it is harder to be instated unless he had tried hard to hold that marriage together and the break up is attributed to the wife . In which case he 'may' be eligible but can vary by different congregations .
Can a Methodist go to a fish fry on Monday at the local bar?
I believe a Methodist can attend a fish fry in a bar but would appreciate a correction if I'm wrong . As a Baptist I eat or attend many activities in places alcohol is available but that's not why I'm there . We live in a fallen world with many things happening around us we might not accept . Our Lord dealt with the same situation when he was with us .
Does your preacher/ priest have to wear a certain outfit?
It would depend on your church . Normally in a Baptist church there is no certain 'outfit' , usually coat and tie or just casual wear . But other churches have different traditions ...collars , robes and such .
It's it ok to wear your work cloths to church?
In my church you certainly may if you wish . I don't believe many churches would turn away anyone for wearing work clothes .
It's it a sin to let or services out early to beat the Baptist to the buffet?
Yes ! Because us Baptists should have at least an equal shot at the buffet ! (just personal opinion )
If you wore a kilt to services what would happen?
There would be unbelievable laughter and many questions plus I would never live it down .
+ 1,000
no dietary restrictions
Old Covenent
New Covenant = Freedom from the law
Since you are the OP. I will not say this is trolling
Thank you jmort , I don't troll . Haven't heard a Catholic complain yet ..it's just friendly talk . It's not theology ..I haven't quoted scripture or demeaned anyone . Atheists will try to make hay out of it one way or another and some Christians may be upset to discuss another's church for some personal reason but it's just friendly conversation . I enjoy discovering the commonalities in our shared faith in the one true living GOD .
I always find it interesting when anti-Christian leftists defend Islam. It would seem impossible to reconcile the current fads of "liberalism" with a religion that continues to extoll, and execute in wide-spread practice, the oppression of women, the mutilation of teenage girls, the execution of homosexuals, and the murder of apostates, let alone the commission of terror against "'infidels" and those within Islam itself whose understanding of the tawheed is insufficiently rigorous, for example. Is it the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing? As an ideology at least as much opposed to the Hellenistic Judeo-Christian values of western civilization as your own, does that make its fundamental contradictions with basic human rights, violent opposition to feminism, and its pervasive homophobia somehow ok? The mental contortions required of the Left are exhausting. I can't stand Bill Mayer, but at least for a far left liberal, he recognizes, and voices, the incompatibility of Islam with his own ideology. A rare example of logic on the left...In any event, do tell.
"I enjoy discovering the commonalities in our shared faith in the one true living GOD ."
Me too, and you know that
"No religious leaders except perhaps some backwoods tent-preachers now deny that Islam is a valid religion."
Not true
you wrong
islam is scum, not a religion
the world would be a far better place if there were no muslims
this belongs in the pit, not due to the OP
But due to the participants
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....................bacon......... .......mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
:holysheep yes we can