Anyone made them? If so what is your process/load data and do they run?
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Anyone made them? If so what is your process/load data and do they run?
Had a little time this morning and came up with this.
Looks like I can get around 330 #12 shot (67 grains) with a card over 2 grains of N310 and the shot.
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/v...ps68pdyqns.jpg
How'd yo do that? Interested in some for 40SW.
Looks like lathe turn from 5.56mm brass??
Yes, it's a turned .223 case. For .40 you would want to start with .30 Remington cases.
or if you have time in your hands and willing to load one by one, you could revisit the 44XL and make paper capsules for shot :lol:
you could proably get 90-100 gr of shot...
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these are 38spl shotshells I loaded (top of picture)
over powder card then shot then over shot disk then run through the factory crimp die (sizes after crimping for a nice shell)
the 'shotshell kit' I got from:
http://www.sagesoutdoors.com/shotwad...-shotwad-kits/
good luck
380 shot shells.
First step is to turn the .223 case back and I built a little fixture to trim them to .980"
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/v...psqjqwhubb.jpg
Once locked into the fixture I rough cut them long then hit it on a disk sander that gets it to .980"
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/v...psey1x6sp6.jpg
I used Winchester SPP to ignite the N310 under a cardboard wad with 60 grains of #12 shot (about 250 pellets), then a plastic overshot card crimped in place using an old RCBS 45 ACP round nose seat die.
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/v...psms68hftg.jpg
Not the best pattern in the world but not too bad with the small payload.
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/v...psorotgntf.jpg
Even cycles the pistol, here is a video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAIcV5CR7eM
this is cool. It's a Bersa? Nice looking shells and good shooting.
You sure? My .40 cases mike .423 at mouth, .424 at base and if memory serves correctly the .30 Rem is the parent case for 10mm auto (the parent case for .40 s&w) as well as parent case of 6.8 SPC.
I make the 30Rem from 30-30 brass, just check the diameter of a 30-30 case. It'll take a bit of lathe time but it can be done..
Do they cycle OK? I guess 10mm cases would possibly work. Maybe I'll just get some gaiters.
Yes, the 380's seem to cycle fine. The video in #8 is of them cycling a Walther PPk and this one is out of a LCP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6_6cYlKcso
wow some of you have WAY too much time I would go fishing
Well......I had some of the Rem cases in the scrap bucket and this idea gave me another use for them. Took out a couple and trimmed them for a case length of 1.100 and sized the neck with my 357mag sizer die. According to my 40cal chamber gauge it should work fine as far as fitting in the chamber.
Now I need to come up with a load and an idea on what to use for an over shot card. I have the option of either using an over shot card or........using my notching die and make a crimp using that.
Sad thing is (or good thing) I don't own a 40cal anything to test. Making the shot loads for the 10mm would be kinda simple once I get the 40cal figured out....
I have only made shot loads for a .45ACP, at least for auto loaders. I have used both .35 cal gas checks and wads cut from soda boxes for overshot wads. I think plastic cut from a coffee can lid would work fine also.
A wild guess says to try .30 cal or 8mm gaschecks, but you guys with the case in hand will have a better idea of the diameter needed.
Yet another case for possible use for the .40 or 10mm is the 10mm Magnum; but considering the cost, it is probably a wash with using converted rifle cases for those rounds.
60 grains of #12 shot doesn't sound like much; but it is two to three times what a .22LR shotshell holds, and they do okay for Mr. No Shoulders.
Robert
I made 2 40cal shot loads last night, of course from my scraped out Rem cases. All the dimensions are there, and I trimmed the cases to 1.120 and used my 357mag sizer to make the shoulder. I used #8 shot to start, yeah I know its a bit big but for prototype work and function testing I'm going with that. I did manage to get 95gr of #8 shot in the case, I'm using 5gr 231 with an over powder wad, the shot, and a homemade over shot card for the prototypes.
Using the Rem cases is expensive to say the least, at $1ea just for the case it's more of a novelty than anything.
A person can use 30-30 brass, that'll allow a person to make either 40cal or the 10mm shot loads. Your going to need a lathe in order to do it though, and it takes a bit of time to do. Who knows I may make a thread about it later, but first....I need to find someone with a 40cal to test them and go from there.
Gee, CCI makes them, 40S&W 88gr #9 in Al. case - ~$15/10. If you can find them. My interest would be for dove/pig hunting protection but for 1-2 times a year, gaiters are more useful. Especially in the cactus. Not about to try a 20ga near my feet. I did get a field mouse on the 3rd shot with the 40, has become a sport with 9mm on a friends place.
And no one makes them for .380.
The 10mm case is only 0.12" longer than 40SW so it probably would cycle but HS off the extractor. The .30 case is probably better but I have none and no machine to modify them with. Plus I'd hate to be walking back from the stand, meet a 200# sow, loaded with snake shot. Rifle would of course be slung over the back. It's a 50 yd walk through nasty stuff to the fence line where he picks me up with the Gater. I am looking for a good small high intensity green flashlight.
Would Styer or Largo brass work (for 380) with a slight neck down for HS?
Here's what I came up with this morning, I ended up needing to machine the entire O.D. on it to work in my gauge. I do have 62gr of #12 in the crimped shot load, and just over 70gr in the GC'd shot loads...
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I may end up using my notching die for the 40cal stuff as well..
that 380 shot cartridge is salvation to my wandering mind!! I can and do make shot shells for our handguns but the 380 is the better hot weather gun for me and this answers how! Thanks, now I have more reason to be in shop instead of sitting on porch!!
Had an idea the other day and had a few min to see how it would work.
I took a spare Lee powder through die I had and removed the flare portion from the inside and replaced it with an insert I machined to swage the 380 case down like my 45 ACP die does.
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/v...pssajcwmjd.jpg
Much faster and the crimp looks a bit better.
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/v...pso2ggoyki.jpg
Really interesting, jmorris. Can you post a pic of spent cases?
I already loaded them back up, looks pretty much the same except the roll is blown back out a bit.
This is very creative and congrats on that, I just think that shot loads in the .380 would not be very effective esp. on rattlers. I think a .44 or .45 LC. would be much more effective, just sayin'.
A 12ga is even better but I don't have one that weighs 9.6 oz.
One could do that. The crimp tool I built for my 45 ACP shot loads was a sleeve that slid over a 1/2-20 bolt that I ran a ball end mill into on the lathe, to give it the concave shape.
Had I thought about it before hand I could have machined the insert so one side necked the cases down then flip the insert over and that side is the crimp.
COOL! Now do one for 9mm. I had another idea. Instead of using an overshot card, bond the shot into the case using plain food grade gelatin. Once shot, the gelatin should keep the shot together a little longer out of the barrel before dispersing. Sounds crazy but might work.
I still have plenty of 9mm shot loads and generally carry a 45 ACP or LC or the 380 where I would come in contact with snakes that I would want to get rid of.
I've been making my own 45ACP shotshell with good success. I'm experimenting with 380 shot shell and have made crimped dummy brass that cycles in my Kahr CT380, but I have not loaded any up for test fire. I've got too many projects going haha. I used 223 brass cut down and used a Lee 32ACP bullet seating die to make the neck, and a Lee 45ACP bullet seating die to crimp the top.Tested OAL lengths that cycle are .926 - .936. I learned from making 45ACP Shot shells that you got to get the headspacing right if you want reliable rounds that cycle fire every time without fail.
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Interesting, I'll have to try lathe turning some .223 for 9mm experimentals...never really considered shot loads in a 9mm before now.
Grumpa what are you using to star crimp with?
Might work but the .223 case is .380 size or smaller OD than 9mm.Quote:
Interesting, I'll have to try lathe turning some .223 for 9mm
the 380 ACP rim and 9mm rim are not close enough to be interchangeable. The .223 case is a good wildcat case for the .380ACP - but not 9mm
Theres alot of info out there on youtube (ammochannel for example) to create 45ACP shotshells and alot of people can do it, so i'd say thats a good place to start if you shoot 45 as well.Its easier to load the 45 in general and shotshells are no exception. When you got that comfortable, then just like the .380 is just a scaled down version of a 45ACP round - scale down the .380 shotshells using the same techniques as used for 45 shotshell. At least that was my approach. You dont need any tools other than a cheap hand pipe cutter, 32ACP dies, and 45ACP dies. You have to headspace the right length of the cases based on the specific gun barrel you will shoot out of for best functioning. Use old cases and sharpen with a case deburrer and use it to punch for over powder and over shot cards. I use the plastic covers of small notebooks or thick medium card stock of typical greeting cards.The cards need to fit snug to ensure uniform ignition -
380 head spaces of the rim or in this case where the "bottle neck" is. I have not found headspace needs to be different for my shot shell loads in different pistols.Quote:
You have to headspace the right length of the cases based on the specific gun barrel you will shoot out of for best functioning.
jmorris, I think you are confusing the 32acp with the 380. the 32acp is "semi rimmed".
Not sure what was rattling around in my head, should read "off the mouth", then the "where the bottle neck is" part will make sense.